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Yeah, they're not quite saying "You can't say that", just "if you say that, we don't pay you". It is different, as it gives the guy a choice.
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Strangely, Camille Paglia calls herself - or has been called, I'm not sure which - the anti-lesbian lesbian. She's written books and articles critical of homosexuality...even though she's homosexual herself.
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As you've seen in here, you have the right to be openly homophobic, which you are. But you don't have the right not to go unchallenged. No one's rights were violated. Especially not A&E's rights, which, as a corporation, is really the most important thing here. |
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Religious speech is protected, therefore if one wants to say that unless one accepts Jesus as Christ they will not go to heaven,therefore Jews must accept Christ or they will not be saved. Is this hateful? |
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We have a lawless president and a lawless judiciary. What could go wrong?? |
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Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson on Indefinite Hiatus Following Anti-Gay Remarks
Why even have a judiciary? The will of the people is always right, and always Constitutional. (Unless it's a presidential election in the past 5 years.)
Don't worry, the appointed, unelected AG is going to appeal the ruling. I don't know what you're talking about in regards to DD -- you're not making any sense. |
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Utah/INDY: So??? |
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No one is required to listen. She just has the right to express her views.
When people are banned or suspended - their free speech rights are being violated. ( I used to carpool with a guy that took the bar exam, twice) |
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No. But comparing normal people like you and I versus sick minded ones that have sex with animals is.
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For instance - as a soldier, I gave up quite a bit of "freedom" in order to serve. As an employee, I give up some "freedom" in order that other employees can work in a non-hostile environment. I am perfectly fine with A&E letting Phil go. It's a business decision. It may be a poor decision, based on the response. In that case - I admire the management for sticking to their principles (if that's the real reason). And this is not just about Right vs. Left - as we've seen recently that Martin Bashir and Alec Baldwin have been fired for the words that came out of their mouths. Civilization requires civility. This is gauged by the people (the government plays only a small role here) - and the line is constantly moving. When a celebrity crosses the line - the people respond. For the most part, it seem that most people think that Phil Robertson did not cross the line here - so, I wont be surprised if he's back on the show when they resume filming, or Duck Dynasty is picked up by another network. If that happens, Phil Robertson will probably have even less "freedom" with his words. |
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Where do you get the idea that most people think he did NOT cross the line with his words?
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Because they are the loud ones. I'd encourage everyone to go read what he really said. It was offensive, no matter your religious beliefs. It was puerile, sex-obsessed, and nasty. It was not an expression of disagreement based on religious principles. It was using religion to dress up and justify nasy language and behavior. |
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That they think he was not being intentionally hateful does not imply they think he did not cross the line...
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My last post was more in line with people that are saying that most 'free speech' arguments are getting it wrong. Americans are protected from the government restricting their rights of expression, not private companies (A and E) or being able to post on this board. |
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For all the lowest common denominator garbage it airs, A&E is a crafty business. And it knows it doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history and appear to align itself with these kind of views. So I can respect that.
__________________However, the network was actively and probably cynically seeking the goober demographic with these ducks folks. It was only a matter of time, really. Some kind of Frankenstein situation I think. |
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