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Old 01-27-2013, 12:37 PM   #21
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Approximately 4.3 million people are on Welfare. Annual governmental Welfare spending (not including food stamp spending and unemployment spending) is $139.9 billion.

That averages to about $30,700 per recipient

If as little as 2% of Welfare Recipients are fraudulent, that comes out to over $2.6 billion in wasted spending.

While $2.6 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to $1.1 trillion budget deficit, it's still 2,600,000,000 dollars. Writing off these kinds of savings as chump change is exactly how we end up with no spending cuts whatsoever.
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Approximately 4.3 million people are on Welfare. Annual governmental Welfare spending (not including food stamp spending and unemployment spending) is $139.9 billion.

That averages to about $30,700 per recipient

If as little as 2% of Welfare Recipients are fraudulent, that comes out to over $2.6 billion in wasted spending.

While $2.6 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to $1.1 trillion budget deficit, it's still 2,600,000,000 dollars. Writing off these kinds of savings as chump change is exactly how we end up with no spending cuts whatsoever.
And are you saying that drug testing is the way to find this 2%?
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And are you saying that drug testing is the way to find this 2%?
Sure. Spending $4.2 billion to prevent $2.6 billion going to people who failed drug tests (mainly on marijuana) is the way to go forward. Those extra $1.6 billion will be money right spend.
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Wait, I thought it was the left that engaged in class warfare? Oh, maybe it doesn't count when you attack the poor, they don't really count. In fact some Republicans tried to pass a bill that wouldn't allow those on government assistance to vote.
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And are you saying that drug testing is the way to find this 2%?
I was more so responding to the general attitude in this thread that Welfare abuse is either nonexistent, or so small that it's irrelevant. Would drug testing help? I don't know; possibly. I'd have to do more research into the issue to give an educated answer. But to paint any attempt to clean up Welfare fraud as class warfare.. that's a pretty lazy argument.
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Would the same people care if recipients were spending money on getting drunk?
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To me, it matters more that, when spending the money on drugs, a crime is being committed. Not so, with alcohol.
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what about the government setting up something to find where people have hidden money overseas so it wouldn't have to be taxed? i'm sure it gets looked into a little, but i'm talking full on investigations. billions and billions of dollars are sitting in banks elsewhere. where's the outcry from the right about wasted tax dollars about that? this is a comparative drop in the bucket that would bleed money.
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To me, it matters more that, when spending the money on drugs, a crime is being committed. Not so, with alcohol.
But when we're talking about marijuana, that's so arbitrary. Are the people spending it on weed in states where it's no longer criminalized okay to do so?
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As it's not an illegal activity in those states, there would be no reason to remove their benefits.
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I think welfare is abused all the time.

But for one political party to blow what is tenths of pennies wasted on the dollar into some sort of national crisis, while allowing defense spending and oil subsidies to continue unchecked, absolutely deserves ridicule. And we won't even get into the race baiting of the "welfare queen."
Exactly. This is all a sideshow.
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As it's not an illegal activity in those states, there would be no reason to remove their benefits.
which kind of goes to show that it's not really a big deal to begin with
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which kind of goes to show that it's not really a big deal to begin with
Unless of course you're someone else I know who had already sold all of their foodstamps, and so, stole their mother's and sold theirs as well in order to buy pot.

Again, I'm sure this is not the norm behavior, but it's all the behavior I have experienced in my own life.
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Unless of course you're someone else I know who had already sold all of their foodstamps, and so, stole their mother's and sold theirs as well in order to buy pot.
That's fraud. Completely different
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But when we're talking about marijuana, that's so arbitrary. Are the people spending it on weed in states where it's no longer criminalized okay to do so?
Playing devil's advocate, it's still a violation of federal law and should be viewed the same as other illegal substances with respect to federal dollars.

Federal employees in Washington and Colorado can still be fired for popping positive for marijuana on a drug screen, and by the way they are subject to random drug testing.
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...and lost in all of this are several court decisions finding this to be a warrantless search, and as such unconstitutional.

Being eligible to receive benefits of this nature is not probable cause for such a search.
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...and lost in all of this are several court decisions finding this to be a warrantless search, and as such unconstitutional.

Being eligible to receive benefits of this nature is not probable cause for such a search.
that had popped in my head later. that's true, too. the welfare department wouldn't be able to argue that every single recipient was suspected of drug use, either to get around it.
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