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Jive Turkey · 07-09-2012, 09:22 PM

I can't imagine how shitty it must be for you guys to have your political process so muddied by religious gobbledygook

u2popmofo · 07-09-2012, 09:59 PM

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What history book are you reading?

People get defensive at history revisionism.

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli perhaps?

There's a lot of revisionism on both sides (see the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, etc.).

Steved1998 · 07-10-2012, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

What history book are you reading?

People get defensive at history revisionism.

By the way, that inscription on the Liberty Bell... is it religious or secular in origin?

You tell them! All our forefathers were Christian, especially Jefferson.

U2DMfan · 07-10-2012, 04:05 PM

Jefferson was a Christian. I believe he called himself a Unitarian.
But this is a never ending argument.

The one thing we can say without a good amount of confidence is - whether they were Christian or Deist, they were also secularists.

And there are two extremes that often refuse to acknowledge one of those two things.

Steved1998 · 07-10-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by U2DMfan

Jefferson was a Christian. I believe he called himself a Unitarian.
But this is a never ending argument.

The one thing we can say without a good amount of confidence is - whether they were Christian or Deist, they were also secularists.

And there are two extremes that often refuse to acknowledge one of those two things.

You're wrong.

cobl04 · 07-10-2012, 04:58 PM

I found another bean that looks just like the leader!

INDY500 · 07-10-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by U2DMfan

Jefferson was a Christian. I believe he called himself a Unitarian.
But this is a never ending argument.

The one thing we can say without a good amount of confidence is - whether they were Christian or Deist, they were also secularists.

And there are two extremes that often refuse to acknowledge one of those two things.

I believe, as the founders did, in a secular government administered by, and for, a religious people.

digitize · 07-10-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

I believe, as the founders did, in a secular government administered by, and for, a religious people.

I guess I'll go take my rightful place as a second class citizen for daring to not be able to find evidence of a god

Canadiens1131 · 07-10-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

I believe, as the founders did, in a secular government administered by, and for, a religious people.

You must not be very happy with the Republican or Democratic parties at the moment, then.

How does it feel to have your secular government slapping you in the face with "one nation under god" printed on every piece of paper currency you pass through your hands? Every time kids in your state pledge allegiance to "one nation, under god?"

If you support a secular government than you do not support any current form of state or national government in the U.S., where legislative sessions begin with prayer, for fuck's sake.

INDY500 · 07-10-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1131

You must not be very happy with the Republican or Democratic parties at the moment, then.

How does it feel to have your secular government slapping you in the face with "one nation under god" printed on every piece of paper currency you pass through your hands? Every time kids in your state pledge allegiance to "one nation, under god?"

Actually that's "In God We Trust," the official national motto, on our money. And I'm so offended by that I choose it as my Indiana license plate.

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If you support a secular government than you do not support any current form of state or national government in the U.S., where legislative sessions begin with prayer, for fuck's sake.

Do you think a secular government means one free of any religious influences?

PhilsFan · 07-10-2012, 09:11 PM

Absolutely. Religious influence in government is one of the worst things about our government.

And please don't try and prop up an argument about the law and the Ten Commandments or whatever. Murder is a crime with or without religion.

cobl04 · 07-10-2012, 09:12 PM

This argument reminds me that the Girl Guides here in Oz recently got rid of the "pledge allegiance to God" part of their pledge. Thank goodness. I couldn't think of anything more antiquated than Guides having to pray before a session. In the years I did Scouts I hated being forced to pray and pledge allegiance to a God I didn't believe in.

BVS · 07-10-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

I believe, as the founders did, in a secular government administered by, and for, a religious people.

How about administered by, and for, ALL people?

Why is that so hard?

Moonlit_Angel · 07-10-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

Do you think a secular government means one free of any religious influences?

I think a secular government means that everyone in it can personally follow any religion they please. They can go to church on their own time, if they want to read their respective religious texts before bed at night, that sort of thing, I don't care.

But they cannot use their religious beliefs to create our laws. Things get really sketchy when that starts happening, for both non-religious AND religious people.

nathan1977 · 07-10-2012, 11:48 PM

What does any of this have to do with the star of "Grown Ups 2" sending out some tweet pissed off at the white audiences he has sold out to?

Irvine511 · 07-11-2012, 12:03 AM

Everything is part of the culture war. Everything. Even something like climate change(d). For some people, your position on it is determined not by science but on whether or not you think abortion is murder.

And the "one nation, under god" anti-commie BS was one of the first shots fired.

Jive Turkey · 07-11-2012, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan1977

What does any of this have to do with the star of "Grown Ups 2" sending out some tweet pissed off at the white audiences he has sold out to?

Because conversations have a natural flow and if we were forced to stick to the exact topic in every thread, this would be the most rigid and boring forum on the internet. Why does someone have to bring this up in every time?

Jive Turkey · 07-11-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

I believe, as the founders did, in a secular government administered by, and for, a religious people.

hahahahahaha

anitram · 07-11-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

I believe, as the founders did, in a secular government administered by, and for, a religious people.

Presumably not religious people, but religious people of a certain persuasion.

MrsSpringsteen · 07-11-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nathan1977

What does any of this have to do with the star of "Grown Ups 2" sending out some tweet pissed off at the white audiences he has sold out to?

Because every thread here has to somehow come around to religion? Even something that is a far fetched relation. It is tiresome.

Anyway- I don't know about sold out to white audiences but, tragically, Grown Ups 2 is currently filming in MA. Shaq even has a part in it. I wonder if Adam Sandler is still married to Salma Hayek. Only in Hollywood. It will still be better than the one where he played his twin sister (I sat through that for free) or the one he just had out that was a total bomb (wouldn't even sit through that for free). That's my random far fetched relation.

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U2DMfan Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: It's Inside A Black Hole Posts: 6,637 Local Time: 06:16 AM	Jefferson was a Christian. I believe he called himself a Unitarian. But this is a never ending argument. The one thing we can say without a good amount of confidence is - whether they were Christian or Deist, they were also secularists. And there are two extremes that often refuse to acknowledge one of those two things.

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cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 57,942 Local Time: 10:16 PM	I found another bean that looks just like the leader!

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PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 08:16 AM	Absolutely. Religious influence in government is one of the worst things about our government. And please don't try and prop up an argument about the law and the Ten Commandments or whatever. Murder is a crime with or without religion.

07-10-2012, 09:12 PM	#52
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 57,942 Local Time: 10:16 PM	This argument reminds me that the Girl Guides here in Oz recently got rid of the "pledge allegiance to God" part of their pledge. Thank goodness. I couldn't think of anything more antiquated than Guides having to pray before a session. In the years I did Scouts I hated being forced to pray and pledge allegiance to a God I didn't believe in.

07-10-2012, 11:48 PM	#55
nathan1977 Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Strong Badia Posts: 3,443 Local Time: 12:16 PM	What does any of this have to do with the star of "Grown Ups 2" sending out some tweet pissed off at the white audiences he has sold out to?

07-11-2012, 12:03 AM	#56
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 33,245 Local Time: 08:16 AM	Everything is part of the culture war. Everything. Even something like climate change(d). For some people, your position on it is determined not by science but on whether or not you think abortion is murder. And the "one nation, under god" anti-commie BS was one of the first shots fired.