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I can't imagine how shitty it must be for you guys to have your political process so muddied by religious gobbledygook
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There's a lot of revisionism on both sides (see the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, etc.). |
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Jefferson was a Christian. I believe he called himself a Unitarian.
But this is a never ending argument. The one thing we can say without a good amount of confidence is - whether they were Christian or Deist, they were also secularists. And there are two extremes that often refuse to acknowledge one of those two things. |
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I found another bean that looks just like the leader!
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How does it feel to have your secular government slapping you in the face with "one nation under god" printed on every piece of paper currency you pass through your hands? Every time kids in your state pledge allegiance to "one nation, under god?" If you support a secular government than you do not support any current form of state or national government in the U.S., where legislative sessions begin with prayer, for fuck's sake. |
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Absolutely. Religious influence in government is one of the worst things about our government.
And please don't try and prop up an argument about the law and the Ten Commandments or whatever. Murder is a crime with or without religion. |
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This argument reminds me that the Girl Guides here in Oz recently got rid of the "pledge allegiance to God" part of their pledge. Thank goodness. I couldn't think of anything more antiquated than Guides having to pray before a session. In the years I did Scouts I hated being forced to pray and pledge allegiance to a God I didn't believe in.
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Why is that so hard? |
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But they cannot use their religious beliefs to create our laws. Things get really sketchy when that starts happening, for both non-religious AND religious people. |
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What does any of this have to do with the star of "Grown Ups 2" sending out some tweet pissed off at the white audiences he has sold out to?
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Everything is part of the culture war. Everything. Even something like climate change(d). For some people, your position on it is determined not by science but on whether or not you think abortion is murder.
And the "one nation, under god" anti-commie BS was one of the first shots fired. |
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Because conversations have a natural flow and if we were forced to stick to the exact topic in every thread, this would be the most rigid and boring forum on the internet. Why does someone have to bring this up in every time?
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Anyway- I don't know about sold out to white audiences but, tragically, Grown Ups 2 is currently filming in MA. Shaq even has a part in it. I wonder if Adam Sandler is still married to Salma Hayek. Only in Hollywood. It will still be better than the one where he played his twin sister (I sat through that for free) or the one he just had out that was a total bomb (wouldn't even sit through that for free). That's my random far fetched relation. |
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