Chris Lane's Murder

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by tim722

Did the mass Irish immigration at the beginning of the last century lead to Irish people killing each other? They were looked upon as a step above the black man. The nigger of Europe. They weren't slaves but were treated almost as such.

You say blacks commit more violent crimes per capita than any other race. You say they are in a worse economic position than everyone else. Yet there are more white poor people in this country. They aren't close to committing the same violent crimes as blacks.

I say that you are 100% wrong. Blacks are predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. Just look at the stats.

First off, the Irish mass immigration started in the mid-19th century. They were also seen on the same level as blacks, not one step above. They were discriminated against and if you actually researched Irish neighborhoods like Manhattan's Five Points, you'd see it was as bad as Chicago is now. Make sure you have your facts straight before you make any statements like this.

Finally, based on your bigoted statements, I don't understand how any black girl will date you. I'm actually wondering if you actually did date a black girl.

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by tim722

I say that you are 100% wrong. Blacks are predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. Just look at the stats.

Sadly for you statistics have absolutely no factual value. Since they're just statistics, and not facts. There's no proof behind it. So this statement is 100% wrong.


How can you not see how racist your quotes here sound?

[AEON]

Originally Posted by tim722

Blacks are predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. Just look at the stats.

Saying that blacks in America commit more crimes than other races is different than saying blacks in America are predisposed to commit more crimes than other races.

Did you mean to state it that way? That there is some extra violent gene in the African American male and some extra welfare gene in the African American female? If so, please provide some links to the research that back up this assertion. If this was a wording mistake - I beg you to please be more careful. If this was your actual opinion - and it is not based on scientific research (which we know it's not since that research would have caused a larger firestorm than the "Bell Curve") - then please take a long, hard look into your soul and ask yourself whether or not this is the sort of man you really want to be.

The statistics that others have pointed out (myself included) are meant to find the socio-political, economic, or cultural root cause of the problem of African American crime rates. Genetics are not a factor.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by tim722

I say that you are 100% wrong. Blacks are predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. Just look at the stats.

Never mind

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by tim722

Blacks are predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. Just look at the stats.

Racism is not tolerated here. Saying that one race is predisposed to commit more crime than others is a baldly racist statement. It would be one thing if you appeared open and willing to accept criticism and engage in nuanced dialogue, but you're not.

If you want to stick around here, you need to drop the racism. Especially considering you've been suspended before. Consider this your last warning.

[nathan1977]

Originally Posted by tim722

Blacks are predisposed to commit more crimes than other races. Just look at the stats.

If you're trying to make a case that a history of economic, racial, and social injustices has left a particular race of people disenfranchised to the point where crime is the most viable option, that's one thing.

But somehow I'm afraid that that's not the point you were making.

[LJT]

If you work by 'stats', whites must be predisposed to committing genocide and slavery, I mean just look at Germany! Russia! Britain!

At a rough guess i'd say whites on balance have probably committed more acts of violence against any other group of people in the history of the world.

And on the Irish side of things, we too were once looked down on as little more than violent thugs predisposed to all sorts of nefariousness. One British lord I think it was remarked how sorry he felt for us 'as we were so close to being human'. Your opinions seem to fall somewhere even further wide of mark than his.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by tim722

Ya. Lumberjack was a joke. As for wife, never had one.

How convenient, erase all accountability and you can post whatever bs you'd like. Hands down one of the most transparent trolls we've had in awhile.

[tim722]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Racism is not tolerated here. Saying that one race is predisposed to commit more crime than others is a baldly racist statement. It would be one thing if you appeared open and willing to accept criticism and engage in nuanced dialogue, but you're not.

If you want to stick around here, you need to drop the racism. Especially considering you've been suspended before. Consider this your last warning.

Ok Diemen. Look at the FBI stats here. F you for accusing me as a racist! Blacks are only about 15% of the US population but commit more than 50% of the murders! Hence they are predisposed to commit more crime! It's not racism. It's facts. I expect an apology. Quit living in you're dream world and look at the facts. I suppose you'll ban me permantly for stating the facts but it's the truth. Blacks are the most violent criminals in the US. It's not racism, it's the truth. Sorry it hurts.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...e-data-table-3

[tim722]

Originally Posted by nathan1977

If you're trying to make a case that a history of economic, racial, and social injustices has left a particular race of people disenfranchised to the point where crime is the most viable option, that's one thing.

But somehow I'm afraid that that's not the point you were making.

Nope. Just stating the facts. In 2013, blacks commit more crimes then sny other race in America. Not worried about you're perceived injustices. Just stating the facts. Can't argue against the facts.

[tim722]

Originally Posted by LJT

If you work by 'stats', whites must be predisposed to committing genocide and slavery, I mean just look at Germany! Russia! Britain!

At a rough guess i'd say whites on balance have probably committed more acts of violence against any other group of people in the history of the world.

And on the Irish side of things, we too were once looked down on as little more than violent thugs predisposed to all sorts of nefariousness. One British lord I think it was remarked how sorry he felt for us 'as we were so close to being human'. Your opinions seem to fall somewhere even further wide of mark than his.

Ummm. Not looking at history of the world. Only crime in America.

[tim722]

Originally Posted by BVS

How convenient, erase all accountability and you can post whatever bs you'd like. Hands down one of the most transparent trolls we've had in awhile.

Ok. Briing it on. Weren't you the one who said that a person could easily shoot a burglar as he fled and then drag him back into you're house??? It was one of the funniest things i ever heard of. I seriously laughed my ass off but then reslized you were serious. Funny as hell. A burglar breaks in and leaves, you shoot him in bsckyard. Then drag him back in house to make it seem legit. Lol. Wow. Keep dreaming.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by tim722

Ummm. Not looking at history of the world. Only crime in America.

You should perhaps do a little research on the early Irish in America, how they were perceived and treated, their "predisposition" to crime and poverty and what not.

Many Americans believed that since the Irish were Celts and not Anglo-Saxons, they were racially inferior and deserved second-hand citizenship. The Irish being of inferior intelligence was a belief held by many Americans. This notion was held due to the fact that the Irish topped the charts demographically in terms of arrests and imprisonment. They also had more people confined to insane asylums and poorhouses than any other group. The racial supremacy belief that many Americans had at the time contributed significantly to Irish discrimination

Sound familiar?

You continue to tip toe on the thinnest of lines with all of your arguments... and I'm being nice there, as most rational people would say you fell off that line long, long ago.

But I'll play your game for a moment...

Do you believe this "predisposition" to crime is a matter of nature or nurture? Is it genetic? Or is there a sociological issue at play here?

Your answer will likely either be the final mail in your proverbial coffin, or the first rest of light towards a logical discussion. Choose wisely.

[digitize]

Tim, if you're saying that blacks are "predisposed" to commit more murders from birth because of the socioeconomic conditions into which they are commonly born, that's one thing, but it's a questionable definition of "predisposed".

If you think that black people have a "violent gene" or whatever, then you are wrong. And "blacks commit more murders per capita, thus blacks are inherently more violent" is not a sound argument.

[Vlad n U 2]

It's the exact sort of argument a white supremacist would make.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by tim722

F you for accusing me as a racist!

Nice knowing you.

[Irvine511]

i wonder how the black girlfriend feels about all this?

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by tim722

Ok Diemen. Look at the FBI stats here. F you for accusing me as a racist! Blacks are only about 15% of the US population but commit more than 50% of the murders! Hence they are predisposed to commit more crime! It's not racism. It's facts. I expect an apology. Quit living in you're dream world and look at the facts. I suppose you'll ban me permantly for stating the facts but it's the truth. Blacks are the most violent criminals in the US. It's not racism, it's the truth. Sorry it hurts.

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

Hey Tim, why don't you show us some stats on middle class black violence? Or upper class black violence? Or maybe pick up a statistics book and learn how to interpret data

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i wonder how the black girlfriend feels about all this?

If she ever was a girlfriend. Him saying that was like saying, "I'm not racist, I have black friends!"

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by Pearl

If she ever was a girlfriend. Him saying that was like saying, "I'm not racist, I have black friends!"

Is it like that though? (honest question and we can discuss it independent of the Tim situation). I know people like to point out that having black friends doesn't exempt you from being a racist, or that having gay friends doesn't automatically make you non homophobic, but would having a black girlfriend or black wife not be a little different?