Chris Lane's Murder

[AEON]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

You should be more afraid of the increase in fatalities from a traffic accident in the states

Just drive slow in the fast lane like all the other tourists do - then it's all good.

[Jive Turkey]

[cobl04]

Originally Posted by AEON

Just drive slow in the fast lane like all the other tourists do - then it's all good.

We drove slightly above the speed limit in the slow lane and were still getting passed. It was great. Here 80% of speeding fines are people doing less than 10km/h (6.2mph) over the limit. And you can't turn against red lights (left for us, right for you).

[AEON]

Originally Posted by cobl04

We drove slightly above the speed limit in the slow lane and were still getting passed. It was great. Here 80% of speeding fines are people doing less than 10km/h (6.2mph) over the limit. And you can't turn against red lights (left for us, right for you).

Here in SoCal, on the freeway it's GAME ON. You're either stopped or driving 80-90 mph - that's for the average drivers. The endorphin junkies and over-compensating one percenters routinely break 110.

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by cobl04

Here 80% of speeding fines are people doing less than 10km/h (6.2mph) over the limit.

That's bullshit. If I got a ticket for less than 10 over I'd lose it. You're usually pretty safe to be doing anything under 15 over on the main roads, 20 over on the highway without getting a ticket in Canada

[tim722]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Apparently, this makes Republicans proud to be Americans, 'cause at least they know they're free

Great. Turn this into a Conservative issue. Not into the Hate crime that it is. A black kid wanted to kill a white guy and he did. Why was that? Where is the Liberal outrage? He had hatred for the white man and killed another person. He should be hung not given life. Where were his parents? How on earth can you blame Republicans on this one? Wow you are real far from reality.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by tim722

He should be hung not given life.

I'm going to try not to read too much into this sentence, but I do find it awfully disturbing.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by tim722

Turn this into a Conservative issue.

Maybe someone had to counterbalance that poster that turns everything into a liberal issue?

What's his name? Tim something? All I remember is that he's a detective, or was a detective, or maybe a lumberjack... oh hell, I can't remember now.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by tim722

Great. Turn this into a Conservative issue. Not into the Hate crime that it is. A black kid wanted to kill a white guy and he did. Why was that? Where is the Liberal outrage? He had hatred for the white man and killed another person. He should be hung not given life. Where were his parents? How on earth can you blame Republicans on this one? Wow you are real far from reality.

I blame the guns.

There's plenty of outrage on this subject, and it's a nations embarrassment. Race is a component of this, but the real issue is, as always, the ease of accessibility to handguns.

Also, there is specific criteria for something to be considered a hate crime. We'll see if this meets that criteria. From what I've read, a gang initiation seems a likely explanation.

Tourists don't fear our black people. They fear Americans with guns.

But rest assured, Australia -- the murder rate is at a 40-year low. It's safer to visit American now than in any of our lifetimes.

It's just unfortunate that the masturbatory gun fantasy results in crimes like this one that could only ever happen in America, not inly but primarily because of our gun laws.

[ImOuttaControl]

A disgusting, semi-related story of 2 teens beating an 88 year old WWII veteran to death:

WWII vet, beaten by teens outside Eagles Lodge, dies | Spokane/E. WA - KXLY.com

http://www.khq.com/story/23225525/88...arena-has-died

[AEON]

Originally Posted by ImOuttaControl

A disgusting, semi-related story of 2 teens beating an 88 year old WWII veteran to death:

WWII vet, beaten by teens outside Eagles Lodge, dies | Spokane/E. WA - KXLY.com

One Suspect In Custody After WWII Veteran Beaten To Death - Spokane, North Idaho News & Weather KHQ.com

WWII veteran Delbert Belton survived being wounded in action during the Battle of Okinawa only to be beaten and left for dead by two teens at the Eagles Lodge in Spokane on Wednesday evening

How very, very sad.

[AEON]

I'm still trying to find these statistics to see if they are real. If so - I think it's time it gets brought into the mainstream for some real discussion.

After researching the FBI numbers for “Suicide of a Superpower,” this writer concluded: “An analysis of ‘single offender victimization figures’ from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.”

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

If interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism, what does this tell us about where racism really resides — in America?

And if the FBI stats for 2007 represent an average year since the Tawana Brawley rape-hoax of 1987, over one-third of a million white women have been sexually assaulted by black males since 1987 — with no visible protest from the civil rights leadership

article

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by tim722

Great. Turn this into a Conservative issue. Not into the Hate crime that it is. A black kid wanted to kill a white guy and he did. Why was that? Where is the Liberal outrage? He had hatred for the white man and killed another person. He should be hung not given life. Where were his parents? How on earth can you blame Republicans on this one? Wow you are real far from reality.

hanged

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

crimes like this one that could only ever happen in America

c'mon man. a little balance is needed

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

c'mon man. a little balance is needed

a little hyperbole
makes the point

[LJT]

Just a wonder, but what are laws regarding knives like in the states? Can you conceal carry a switchblade for instance? Can you walk about with a knife in public?

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

a little hyperbole
makes the point

The only problem is that a lot of people won't read it as hyperbole

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by LJT

Just a wonder, but what are laws regarding knives like in the states? Can you conceal carry a switchblade for instance? Can you walk about with a knife in public?

As far as I know, there are only laws on the length of blade you an carry around. Pretty sure that's what it's like in Canada anyway.

[Irvine511]

lest we get ahead of ourselves ...

Conservative media have seized on the killing of an Australian student in Oklahoma by three local teenagers as racially motivated.

Twenty-two year old Christopher Lane, a student at East Central University, was shot dead in Duncan, Okla., on Aug. 16. Lane’s death has drawn national attention because the teenage suspects allegedly told police that they shot him because they were “bored and didn’t have anything to do.” Many Australian press reports have have focused on the easy availability of firearms in the United States.

Conservative media however, have honed in on the argument that the three suspects are black and the victim is white. In fact, one of the suspects is white, an official from the Stephens County District Attorney’s office told MSNBC Wednesday. “That is not the case,” the official said when asked whether all three suspects were black. “One is black, one is half-black half-white, the other is white.”

Conservative media appear to have relied on an erroneous report in the Australian media about the identity of the suspects. Right-wing outlets have since singled out tweets from one of the suspects that include derogatory language aimed at white people.

Local officials have not presented evidence yet that the killing was related to or based on race, but for many conservative outlets, the assumed race of the suspects was proof enough that Lane’s killing was racially motivated. National Review posted a since-uncorrected summary to an Australian news site wrongly identifying the suspects with the headline, “Three Black Teens Kill White College Student; Racial Grievance Industry Silent.” As Mediaite columnist Tommy Christopher noted, Fox News aired a Fox and Friends segment Wednesday morning erroneously identifying all three suspects as black and asking why Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama hadn’t spoken out.

As Christopher also noted, Daily Caller blogger Sean Medlock, who writes under a pseudonym, wrote a post titled “black teenagers kill white jogger for sport.” Medlock initially posted a picture first published by an Australian media outlet that wrongly identified the white suspect as black. Although Medlock has since posted an image with the correct identifying information, he has not altered his headline or corrected the post.

Referring to Obama’s remarks following the shooting of Trayvon Martin in 2012, Townhall columnist Katie Pavlich identified the suspects as black and asked sarcastically, “If Obama had a son, would he look like Chris Lane?” Pavlich later corrected her post. Obama’s remarks about Martin, which set off another conservative firestorm in 2012, were intended as a gesture of sympathy towards black parents who fear their children may be mistakenly profiled as criminals and harmed as a result.

Even after learning that one of the suspects was white, conservative media insisted the killing must have been motivated by anti-white racism. “They got bored and said, ‘Let’s go shoot a white guy!’ Folks, I gotta tell you, there’s something else about this. This is Trayvon Martin in reverse, only worse,” Rush Limbaugh told listeners Wednesday. “No matter where you look in the media, it’s not a racial event. Nothing about it is racist. This is the epitome of media irresponsibility.”

Limbaugh, along with conservative media maven Matt Drudge, has been diligent in highlighting instances of violence with white victims since Obama took office, incidents seen as part of a trend he blames on the president. “[I]n Obama’s America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering,” he said after one incident in 2009.

Limbaugh’s remarks also underscore how the right has been seeking to elevate Lane’s shooting as a point of contrast with media coverage of the shooting of Trayvon Martin, who was shot and killed during a confrontation with George Zimmerman in Sanford, Fla., last year. Zimmerman, who said he shot Martin in self-defense after the teen attacked him, was acquitted in July of second-degree murder and manslaughter. Conservatives see media coverage of the Martin case as having been unjustifiably sympathetic to the dead teenager and his family.

Much of the initial public outrage regarding Martin’s shooting had to do with the lack of charges against Zimmerman. Unlike the suspects in the Oklahoma shooting, Zimmerman was not initially charged with any crime. Martin was shot in February of 2012; Zimmerman was initially let go by Sanford police based on lack of evidence and not charged until April. According to the charging document filed by local prosecutors in Oklahoma, the three suspects were found and apprehended hours after Lane’s death and charged the next day.

Martin’s death left many in the black community feeling that Martin had been profiled based on race, something Zimmerman has denied doing, and that the initial failure to arrest Zimmerman was based on a sense that Martin’s life was not valued because he was black. If incorrect, that feeling is nevertheless motivated by centuries of American history that include chattel slavery, Jim Crow, and mass incarceration. “I think it’s important to recognize that the African-American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away,” Obama said shortly after Zimmerman was acquitted.

On the one hand, that prism includes a history of institutionalized racism against black people that went on for most of the republic’s existence. On the other, Obama’s been president for five years and conservatives don’t like him much. In some corners of the parallel universe of conservative media and talk radio, these experiences are roughly equivalent narratives of harrowing racial oppression, except we haven’t overcome the latter yet.

‘This is Trayvon Martin in reverse, only worse,’ right-wingers say — MSNBC

[Jive Turkey]

If we're making concessions for "half white" here...

Just sayin'

For the record, I don't know why this is getting dragged into the Trayvon shit show, I'm just trying to stay consistent