Bullying - What Can Be Done? - Page 6

BVS · 03-01-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

How do you mean?

I find that a choice of word "bullying" vs "harassment" would change your frame of perspective that much very odd. I think part of the problem is that some seem very quick to dismiss the seriousness of issues such as this based on very trivial reasoning.

Jive Turkey · 03-01-2012, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVS

I find that a choice of word "bullying" vs "harassment" would change your frame of perspective that much very odd. I think part of the problem is that some seem very quick to dismiss the seriousness of issues such as this based on very trivial reasoning.

That's not unreasonable, but wording is important. It wouldn't be the only instance where your choice of words would influence how others thought about a given situation. If something is serious, use the appropriate language

Pearl · 03-01-2012, 04:57 PM

Sometimes the words "bullying" or "bully" is appropriate. The problems I experienced in the newsroom were similar to that of high school bullying. I mean, the smear campaigns, getting others to ignore me - you can't get any more high school than that.

But since its a professional environment that is not supposed to tolerate such things because you'd think adults would know better, maybe "harassment" is the appropriate word.

BVS · 03-01-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

If something is serious, use the appropriate language

Once again you're implying it's not serious if someone came to you and said they were being "bullied".

Let me ask you just so we're on the same page: How do you define 'bullying', and 'harassment'?

Jive Turkey · 03-01-2012, 05:16 PM

How do you define 'tummy ache' and 'sore stomach'? I've never said they're different, but one phrase is more age appropriate than the other. But anyway, as I said, it's not really worth putting any more discussion into.

yolland · 03-01-2012, 05:22 PM

Yeah, weak and inconsistent establishment of an agreed-upon language for these kinds of offenses is part of the problem. I think this might've been the reason why it was women rather than men who led the initial push against the former administrator of mine I described earlier; even though his conduct towards women was overall considerably worse in terms of degree of invasiveness, at least there was an established concept there that everyone recognized and had some fairly concrete understanding of--sexual harassment--to be invoked, whereas the men who subsequently came forward all seemed to have an attitude of "Well, all I really had to say was that he'd been an asshole to me, and I didn't want to be a whiner and a wuss." ("...especially since he was going to be signing off on my tenure decision...") Actually, I wasn't thinking about this earlier, but several years back I did file a harassment complaint myself against a (female) interim superior, not because I personally felt intimidated--I was actually better-established and my position more secure than hers, so my reaction was "

Yeah, whatever b**** "--but because a colleague I recounted the incident to pointed out that what she said to me could've been highly intimidating to a younger and less established faculty member (she'd been reviewing my student evaluations with me at the time) and urged me to report it. I'm not sure it would've otherwise occurred to me to conceive of it as harassment.

the iron horse · 03-01-2012, 08:19 PM

Amazon.com: Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe Violence (9780465036950): Gerard Jones: Books

**Diemen** · 03-01-2012, 08:23 PM

Have you read the book and do you have some insight that is relevant to this thread, or are you simply going to post links without any commentary?

the iron horse · 03-01-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Diemen

Have you read the book and do you have some insight that is relevant to this thread, or are you simply going to post links without any commentary?

I have read the book.

If you have a question, ask.

**Diemen** · 03-01-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the iron horse

I have read the book.

If you have a question, ask.

Very well.

1. How does this book address bullies?

2. Having read the book, what is your opinion on the subject under discussion in this thread?

Jive Turkey · 03-01-2012, 08:34 PM

Can we start erasing his posts? He clearly gets off on it and it's probably the only way to make him stop

the iron horse · 03-01-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Can we start erasing his posts? He clearly gets off on it and it's probably the only way to make him stop

Erase his posts?

Make him stop what?

Asking questions?

cobl04 · 03-01-2012, 08:40 PM

Blatant trolling.

the iron horse · 03-01-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cobl04

Blatant trolling.

Who is trolling?

Who is avoiding the discussion?

What do you think?

cobl04 · 03-01-2012, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Who is trolling?

Who is avoiding the discussion?

What do you think?

You! Answer diemen's questions just a few posts above!!!

coolian2 · 03-01-2012, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Who is avoiding the discussion?

you jumped the shark here.

BoMac · 03-01-2012, 08:52 PM

In case you missed it, The Iron Horse.

Please answer the questions below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diemen

Very well.

1. How does this book address bullies?

2. Having read the book, what is your opinion on the subject under discussion in this thread?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diemen

Very well.

1. How does this book address bullies?

2. Having read the book, what is your opinion on the subject under discussion in this thread?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diemen

Very well.

1. How does this book address bullies?

2. Having read the book, what is your opinion on the subject under discussion in this thread?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diemen

Very well.

1. How does this book address bullies?

2. Having read the book, what is your opinion on the subject under discussion in this thread?

the iron horse · 03-01-2012, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoMac

In case you missed it, The Iron Horse.

Please answer the questions below:

Isn't it nice that so many of you checked the link
on the book?

Reading is fun

Jive Turkey · 03-01-2012, 09:04 PM

Ban this asshole

**Diemen** · 03-01-2012, 09:06 PM

Ok, that's enough of the ganging up.

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03-01-2012, 04:57 PM	#103
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 07:13 AM	Sometimes the words "bullying" or "bully" is appropriate. The problems I experienced in the newsroom were similar to that of high school bullying. I mean, the smear campaigns, getting others to ignore me - you can't get any more high school than that. But since its a professional environment that is not supposed to tolerate such things because you'd think adults would know better, maybe "harassment" is the appropriate word.

03-01-2012, 05:16 PM	#105
Jive Turkey ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,646 Local Time: 07:13 AM	How do you define 'tummy ache' and 'sore stomach'? I've never said they're different, but one phrase is more age appropriate than the other. But anyway, as I said, it's not really worth putting any more discussion into.

03-01-2012, 05:22 PM	#106
yolland Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,471 Local Time: 12:13 PM	Yeah, weak and inconsistent establishment of an agreed-upon language for these kinds of offenses is part of the problem. I think this might've been the reason why it was women rather than men who led the initial push against the former administrator of mine I described earlier; even though his conduct towards women was overall considerably worse in terms of degree of invasiveness, at least there was an established concept there that everyone recognized and had some fairly concrete understanding of--sexual harassment--to be invoked, whereas the men who subsequently came forward all seemed to have an attitude of "Well, all I really had to say was that he'd been an asshole to me, and I didn't want to be a whiner and a wuss." ("...especially since he was going to be signing off on my tenure decision...") Actually, I wasn't thinking about this earlier, but several years back I did file a harassment complaint myself against a (female) interim superior, not because I personally felt intimidated--I was actually better-established and my position more secure than hers, so my reaction was " Yeah, whatever b**** "--but because a colleague I recounted the incident to pointed out that what she said to me could've been highly intimidating to a younger and less established faculty member (she'd been reviewing my student evaluations with me at the time) and urged me to report it. I'm not sure it would've otherwise occurred to me to conceive of it as harassment.

03-01-2012, 08:19 PM	#107
the iron horse Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in a glass of CheerWine Posts: 3,266 Local Time: 07:13 AM	Amazon.com: Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe Violence (9780465036950): Gerard Jones: Books

03-01-2012, 08:23 PM	#108
Diemen Resident Photo Buff Forum Moderator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Somewhere in middle America Posts: 13,692 Local Time: 05:13 AM	Have you read the book and do you have some insight that is relevant to this thread, or are you simply going to post links without any commentary?

03-01-2012, 08:34 PM	#111
Jive Turkey ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,646 Local Time: 07:13 AM	Can we start erasing his posts? He clearly gets off on it and it's probably the only way to make him stop

03-01-2012, 08:40 PM	#113
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 59,235 Local Time: 10:13 PM	Blatant trolling.

03-01-2012, 09:04 PM	#119
Jive Turkey ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,646 Local Time: 07:13 AM	Ban this asshole