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[Irvine511]

So, with that last sentence, are we insisting that the slave trade was all part of God's Plan to bring black people to America and (better) to Jesus?

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

So, with that last sentence, are we insisting that the slave trade was all part of God's Plan to bring black people to America and (better) to Jesus?

Actually, 60% of Christians live in developing countries. If FYM is any indicator African and Asian Christians will soon see the need to send missionaries to spread the Gospel to us.

[Irvine511]

That doesn't answer my question.

And Uganda can keep its American Ecangelical subsidized Christianity.

[deep]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

So, with that last sentence, are we insisting that the slave trade was all part of God's Plan to bring black people to America and (better) to Jesus?

the holy father sent the missionaries to the natives to do good
and they did very well

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by INDY500

If FYM is any indicator African and Asian Christians will soon see the need to send missionaries to spread the Gospel to us.

I dunno, the Christians in this country sure seem to be doing a fine enough job on their own.

(And what's the percentage of Christians in this country at large? Still at 80 some percent? Yeah. I can see where you're so concerned about the horrible lack of Christianity.)

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Actually, 60% of Christians live in developing countries.

And the missionaries have done a bang up job screwing up said developing countries

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

And the missionaries have done a bang up job screwing up said developing countries

In this life. Just wait until the next life, when they reap their eternal reward.

[ladyfreckles]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

And the missionaries have done a bang up job screwing up said developing countries

This is a tricky/controversial subject, but I know a lot of missionaries. Many go over to Africa (or other continents) with the intention of doing good, but often it's misguided. I just know that one of the major missionary sponsors (PM me if you want the actual name of it) was having people go over to indoctrinate orphans into Christianity. They weren't feeding poor people, building homes, or anything of the sort. You donated money to pay for Christians to go over there, stay in a nice house with high speed internet and air conditioning, and teach Sunday school to an orphanage for six months.

I am not saying all missionaries do this sort of thing. I know several people that did fantastic work over in Africa (almost all of them say they'd love to go back, too). But this does happen, and often it hurts the countries far more than it helps them.

Uganda does not need more Christianity. What it needs is food, shelter, better medicine, and most importantly education. It already has Christianity, and it's illegal to be homosexual over there (you're actually allowed to kill a person just because they admit to being homosexual, and the authorities will do nothing). It's terrifying over there.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by ladyfreckles

Uganda does not need more Christianity. What it needs is food, shelter, better medicine, and most importantly education.

This.

Originally Posted by ladyfreckles

it's illegal to be homosexual over there (you're actually allowed to kill a person just because they admit to being homosexual, and the authorities will do nothing). It's terrifying over there.

I'd heard about that whole disturbing law, yes. Truly frightening stuff.

And people wonder why some have issues with and refuse to be part of organized religions sometimes.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Not slaves but certainly the descendents of Western slaves. And you either understand what that means or you don't care to.

I understand what you think we should understand, but I would loooooooooooooooove to hear your explanation.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

What Southerners did in the Civil War to justify their view of slavery is exactly, exactly, what Dan Savage does when he misapplies his biblical references to slavery.

And this sums up everything you missed about, or didn't care to understand about Savage's point.

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by ladyfreckles

Many go over to Africa (or other continents) with the intention of doing good, but often it's misguided.

I can get behind this. I've always thought, regardless of my personal views on religion, that it only works on an individual or family level. I'm sure your friends genuinely think they're doing something good, but there's something insidious about the whole missionary thing.

Uganda does not need more Christianity. What it needs is food, shelter, better medicine, and most importantly education. It already has Christianity, and it's illegal to be homosexual over there (you're actually allowed to kill a person just because they admit to being homosexual, and the authorities will do nothing). It's terrifying over there.

And this. Nicely said. I didn't get the chance to see it, but my girlfriend went to see a great documentary last week called Call Me Kuchu about that very thing. She said she was crying in the theatre, so I'm looking forward to seeing it sooner than later

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Not slaves but certainly the descendents of Western slaves. And you either understand what that means or you don't care to.

If it wasn't for us they'd still be running around naked in the jungle?

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by ladyfreckles

Uganda does not need more Christianity. What it needs is ...

... everyone to hang up posters saying Stop Kony!

.... right?

[Jive Turkey]

Uh, Cori, that problem has already been dealt with

[INDY500]

As to my main point, anyone?

If you apply Savage's logic to the founding of this country than supporters of the 3/5's clause were pro-slavery because they didn't condemn slavery, they only regulated it.

[Irvine511]

i don't think you have a point.

[ladyfreckles]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

... everyone to hang up posters saying Stop Kony!

.... right?

[deep]

how do we know it won't work?
nobody really did it

and Kony is still out there, free

[corianderstem]

No one really did it?

Come on! In Seattle alone, I saw FOUR posters in one neighborhood on the way to work after the Kony Poster Extravaganza took place!

One was even written in ballpoint pen, with a frowny-face drawn on it. That sign alone saved 0.67 children, I'm sure.