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digitize · 07-13-2016, 07:29 PM

Wait, Theresa May made that clown foreign minister? And fired George Osborne?

Jesus, what an awful way to begin her term. And I thought she was reasonable.

Really. Boris Johnson. BORIS JOHNSON. I thought we were out of the woods with him.

Europe is no longer allowed to pretend that the US is the crazyland of Western democracy, unless we elect Boris's buffoon-pal Trump.

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LuckyNumber7 · 07-13-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by digitize

Wait, Theresa May made that clown foreign minister? And fired George Osborne?

Jesus, what an awful way to begin her term. And I thought she was reasonable.

Really. Boris Johnson. BORIS JOHNSON. I thought we were out of the woods with him.

Europe is no longer allowed to pretend that the US is the crazyland of Western democracy, unless we elect Boris's buffoon-pal Trump.

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I thought she was the furthest thing from reasonable, but I know little of her. Just what I've read on her voting record.

She reminds me of Dolores Umbridge.

digitize · 07-13-2016, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I thought she was the furthest thing from reasonable, but I know little of her. Just what I've read on her voting record.

She reminds me of Dolores Umbridge.

I did almost no research on her before today so I suppose it's not terribly surprising that the little research (i.e. read 25% of her Wikipedia page) I did gave me the wrong image.

Hem-hem.

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Vlad n U 2 · 07-14-2016, 03:52 AM

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I thought she was the furthest thing from reasonable, but I know little of her. Just what I've read on her voting record.

She reminds me of Dolores Umbridge.

Margaret Thatcher tribute act.

Mack_Again · 07-14-2016, 03:58 AM

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Margaret Thatcher tribute act.

basically ultimate 80s comeback?

Vlad n U 2 · 07-14-2016, 08:39 AM

Axver · 07-14-2016, 05:10 PM

Of course Tone is the one person who likes BoJo.

mama cass · 11-03-2016, 06:50 AM

so, unless the decision is overturned by the Supreme Court Appeal, it looks like Parliament will have to decide on Article 50, good news for democracy at least as any kamikaze decisions will be scrutinized and debated...

DaveC · 03-29-2017, 05:38 PM

the countdown is on.

i don't think england and scotland are coming out the other side of this united anymore. it'll be interesting to see how the coronation of george vii (charles) goes without any scottish involvement - the last time an english sovereign was crowned without simultaneously being crowned sovereign of scotland was elizabeth the first in 1559.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-29-2017, 05:42 PM

Speaking of which, in such an event, does Scotland go the way of modern times, or do they crown a monarch?

DaveC · 03-29-2017, 06:00 PM

the only monarch they could crown with any kind of conceivable historical legitimacy would be from the stuart dynasty. the last stuart king, james ii/vii was deposed in 1688 by his protestant daughter and her dutch husband because he was a catholic and was raising his newborn son (the heir to the throne) as a catholic too. the last direct descendant of this royal line of the stuarts died over 200 years ago. the most senior member of the house of stuart now, who is not a direct descendant of any scottish or british monarch, is the duke of bavaria.

so unless the 83 year-old duke of bavaria ends up becoming king francis ii of scotland, they're going to be a republic.

Vlad n U 2 · 03-29-2017, 06:10 PM

There's really no need for monarchies in the 20th century, let alone the 21st. I would hope not.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-29-2017, 06:17 PM

Wasn't debating the need.

Also, nothing stops them from maintaining Lizzie as their queen (unless she rejects the crown).

DaveC · 03-29-2017, 06:27 PM

not a chance in hell a newly fully-independent scotland is going to ask a monarch who rules from london to be their head of state.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-29-2017, 06:32 PM

Disagree, and I imagine that's a divided (though less likely favorable) topic among Scots.

digitize · 03-29-2017, 08:45 PM

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not a chance in hell a newly fully-independent scotland is going to ask a monarch who rules from london to be their head of state.

Why not? It's not like there's not a precedent for it - joining the Commonwealth doesn't seem like a radical proposition.

Even more interesting to me than Scotland is Northern Ireland. Nobody's going to particularly like a closed border with the Republic, I imagine, but there's no way around it from the UK's standpoint if the Republic is in the EU and has the EU's freedom of movement policies.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-29-2017, 08:52 PM

What's more important on that topic is that there's not exactly a negative sentiment towards the queen in Scotland. It's indeed positive. They're still very much so... British.

DaveC · 03-29-2017, 08:56 PM

what on earth would be the point of seceding from a kingdom only to turn right back around and ask that king to be keep being your king?

i accept that i could be wrong but i'd be quite surprised if scotland turned into anything other than a parliamentary democracy if it actually goes through with secession. sure, they could certainly join the commonwealth (and remain in the eu) for the trade and historic ties, but that doesn't require the queen to be the head of state. south africa and india are both presidential republics in the commonwealth.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-30-2017, 03:01 AM

Tradition? The British are incredibly traditional. Inclusive of the Scottish. That's just how people are, there. They absolutely love the queen, for reasons I still don't understand.

Vincent Vega · 03-30-2017, 03:14 AM

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mama cass Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,293 Local Time: 05:59 PM	so, unless the decision is overturned by the Supreme Court Appeal, it looks like Parliament will have to decide on Article 50, good news for democracy at least as any kamikaze decisions will be scrutinized and debated...

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DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 22,840 Local Time: 12:59 PM	the countdown is on. i don't think england and scotland are coming out the other side of this united anymore. it'll be interesting to see how the coronation of george vii (charles) goes without any scottish involvement - the last time an english sovereign was crowned without simultaneously being crowned sovereign of scotland was elizabeth the first in 1559.

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,503 Local Time: 11:59 AM	Speaking of which, in such an event, does Scotland go the way of modern times, or do they crown a monarch?

03-29-2017, 06:00 PM	#491
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 22,840 Local Time: 12:59 PM	the only monarch they could crown with any kind of conceivable historical legitimacy would be from the stuart dynasty. the last stuart king, james ii/vii was deposed in 1688 by his protestant daughter and her dutch husband because he was a catholic and was raising his newborn son (the heir to the throne) as a catholic too. the last direct descendant of this royal line of the stuarts died over 200 years ago. the most senior member of the house of stuart now, who is not a direct descendant of any scottish or british monarch, is the duke of bavaria. so unless the 83 year-old duke of bavaria ends up becoming king francis ii of scotland, they're going to be a republic.

03-29-2017, 06:10 PM	#492
Vlad n U 2 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28,387 Local Time: 03:29 AM	There's really no need for monarchies in the 20th century, let alone the 21st. I would hope not.

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,503 Local Time: 11:59 AM	Wasn't debating the need. Also, nothing stops them from maintaining Lizzie as their queen (unless she rejects the crown).

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DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 22,840 Local Time: 12:59 PM	not a chance in hell a newly fully-independent scotland is going to ask a monarch who rules from london to be their head of state.

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,503 Local Time: 11:59 AM	Disagree, and I imagine that's a divided (though less likely favorable) topic among Scots.

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,503 Local Time: 11:59 AM	What's more important on that topic is that there's not exactly a negative sentiment towards the queen in Scotland. It's indeed positive. They're still very much so... British.

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DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 22,840 Local Time: 12:59 PM	what on earth would be the point of seceding from a kingdom only to turn right back around and ask that king to be keep being your king? i accept that i could be wrong but i'd be quite surprised if scotland turned into anything other than a parliamentary democracy if it actually goes through with secession. sure, they could certainly join the commonwealth (and remain in the eu) for the trade and historic ties, but that doesn't require the queen to be the head of state. south africa and india are both presidential republics in the commonwealth.

03-30-2017, 03:01 AM	#499
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,503 Local Time: 11:59 AM	Tradition? The British are incredibly traditional. Inclusive of the Scottish. That's just how people are, there. They absolutely love the queen, for reasons I still don't understand.