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Old 06-23-2016, 04:12 PM   #21
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it is just that there are haters on both sides

that killing did flip a few votes, and this election appears to be very close



don't think there are not haters voting for Hillary, if that killer in FL had waited until after the election to murder those kids, he would have certainly been all in for Hillary along with his hating family.

I don't think it will be close. But we will find out very soon.

I'm curious, who do you know changed their mind over that killing?

And this "haters" lingo... did I miss something? I don't even know what you mean.
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Old 06-23-2016, 04:24 PM   #22
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a prominent U K politician made a very public announcement that after that event she had to change from 'exit' to 'remain'

that guy who killed her is a murderer, extremist, hater, etc.

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I think it just internationally opened some eyes as to the sort of reasons (or lack thereof) and the type of people who would be on the exit side.
painting supporters of 'exit' with a broad brush as haters or bigots is lazy and dishonest, I am seeing it here, along with our current U S election
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a prominent U K politician made a very public announcement that after that event she had to change from 'exit' to 'remain'

that guy who killed her is a murderer, extremist, hater, etc.

painting supporters of 'exit' with a broad brush as haters or bigots is lazy and dishonest, I am seeing it here, along with our current U S election

You hardly answered any of my questions.

I'm also not "painting with a broad brush." You're the one claiming that an extremist murder made people change their views, as though the exit crowd is represented by a lunatic.

The point still stands: exiting the EU is a move built on nationalism. Something of which is far bigger and more complex in the United Kingdom than it is here.
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Looks like Leave is doing better than expected in initial results.

God help us.


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All I've heard is that predictions point to Stay, based on polling. But that was just on a brief news report.
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All I've heard is that predictions point to Stay, based on polling. But that was just on a brief news report.


A report I just saw here across the pond is that early results favor brexit.
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If the "remain" vote wins out this time, would that lead to a potentially even more concerted effort by the "leave" side to push for this issue to come up again in the future? Or would the "leave" supporters still try and influence UK policy in other ways as a means of protesting the decision to stay (if that makes sense)?
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Looks like Leave is doing better than expected in initial results.

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Did better than expected in an urban but still hillbilly upside down Newcastle upon Tyne, sure. They still chose remain.

But you haven't seen any urban results yet. When London/Manchester/Glasgow/Endinburgh/Birmingham etc start pouring in, it'll paint a better picture.
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Leave over-performing according to commentators on early results.


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painting supporters of 'exit' with a broad brush as haters or bigots is lazy and dishonest, I am seeing it here, along with our current U S election
Nice to see Trump's divisive and hateful bluster has emboldened you to say stuff like this.
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EU referendum: Latest results - BBC News

I'm following the results here. It's certainly disheartening to see such support for Brexit, even if it's still a long way to go. I fear what this means for Europe as a whole.
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Everybody relax and just wait for London to come in two thirds.
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Yep, I'm hopeful the votes from urban area such as London, Birmingham, Leeds etc will swing it towards Remain.
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The betting markets have flipped from Leave at 20% to 65% now


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Betting markets...

You know why there's no exit polls? Because they have zero historical data to base exit polls off of. This is the first time the UK or anyone else has attempted to leave the EU via referendum.

Betting markets don't know anything that we don't know.
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Hedge funds hired private polling companies for their currency bets, so they may already know the outcome.
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Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, Britain.
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EU referendum: Latest results - BBC News

I'm following the results here. It's certainly disheartening to see such support for Brexit, even if it's still a long way to go. I fear what this means for Europe as a whole.
I have been following that too
Its been at 51.3% steady for some time. But it could still flip.
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Just dropped to 51.2
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