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Old 06-28-2016, 03:19 PM   #321
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And you may have too much faith in the uninformed and fearful masses.
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Jo Cox's family may disagree with you.
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Old 06-28-2016, 03:23 PM   #322
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And you may have too much faith in the uninformed and fearful masses.

So voters should be required to take a current events test in order to vote?




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Old 06-28-2016, 03:30 PM   #323
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thank you both - i couldn't bring myself to reply to that comment

Is it that offensive a thought?

People are sick and tired of the condescending political class telling them to take their medicine of what's good for them. The political class class has lost touch with the people they represent. Happening in the UK and the USA. You may think it's revenge of the country bumpkins, but 17 million people have spoken in a fair election in which both sides presented their cases and engaged in hyperbole on the ramifications.


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Is it that offensive a thought?

People are sick and tired of the condescending political class telling them to take their medicine of what's good for them. The political class class has lost touch with the people they represent. Happening in the UK and the USA. You may think it's revenge of the country bumpkins, but 17 million people have spoken in a fair election in which both sides presented their cases and engaged in hyperbole on the ramifications.


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I think you're overestimating the common voter's rationale. Most of them don't have one.
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Is it that offensive a thought?

Calling it a bloodless rebellion might be offensive to Jo Cox's family, yes.
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Old 06-28-2016, 03:53 PM   #326
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i just can't be bothered to argue with you (and yes, extremely)

maybe take a look at the mentality and see what it's unleashed right now
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No, but this is why direct democracy doesn't work. Can you imagine if we did direct votes on something like climate change or gun control? People would vote with emotion or blind party affiliation; it gets nothing accomplished.

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People are sick and tired of the condescending political class telling them to take their medicine of what's good for them. The political class class has lost touch with the people they represent. Happening in the UK and the USA. You may think it's revenge of the country bumpkins, but 17 million people have spoken in a fair election in which both sides presented their cases and engaged in hyperbole on the ramifications.


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If you feel that the people you are voting for have lost touch with you, then put someone in there that does speak for you BUT what if it's you that's lost touch with reality? What if it's you?

And as far as the US; if you're sick and tired of the condescending political class, then why the hell are you trying to place a condescending asshole that operates even above the "political class"? That makes no sense to anyone, to the rest of the world it looks like you all have lost touch with reality. Which is the same exact thing with this referendum, fear and misguided anger won over logic and reason.

If you're angry, be angry, but know the reasonable response. We all understand the frustrations and the "movements" that are happening right now, but the problem is these are not the right responses or the right people for the job. Platitudes, scapegoats, they've done these populous movements well, but they have no answers. When a real revolution happens you'll know it; Sanders, Trump, Brexit... these are not real.
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I can imagine this thread in 1776 being a Loyalist hotbed. These damn Continental Congressman are a bunch of backwards uneducated rubes preying on the colonies' lowest common denominators. Don't they know King George has a mandate from God and is only looking out for their best interests. It's time they start paying more than their fair share to the crown. How dare they aspire to have free will?


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Calling it a bloodless rebellion might be offensive to Jo Cox's family, yes.

Well I'm sorry if Jo Cox has relatives on FYM. In the course of human history it is not a widespread violent rebellion (let me phrase it that way).


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I can imagine this thread in 1776 being a Loyalist hotbed. These damn Continental Congressman are a bunch of backwards uneducated rubes preying on the colonies' lowest common denominators. Don't they know King George has a mandate from God and is only looking out for their best interests. It's time they start paying more than their fair share to the crown. How dare they aspire to have free will?


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This is your biggest problem. This isn't anywhere near the same thing, no where even close. Like I said, at some point everyone has to look in the mirror and ask if they are the one that's lost touch with reality.
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This is your biggest problem. This isn't anywhere near the same thing, no where even close. Like I said, at some point everyone has to look in the mirror and ask if they are the one that's lost touch with reality.

My birthday was last week. Wanna go on Amazon and order me a mirror as a gift?

As soon as you do I will see clearly


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This is your biggest problem. This isn't anywhere near the same thing, no where even close. Like I said, at some point everyone has to look in the mirror and ask if they are the one that's lost touch with reality.
Do you apply that to Obama when he is talking about Islamic terror and he brings up the crusades?
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Do you apply that to Obama when he is talking about Islamic terror and he brings up the crusades?
Why would I? He's never tried to make the claim they are the same thing.
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Of course not, he does not even recognize Islamic terror
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I love it BVS. Especially the painting of the topless woman in the background. You're a savage misogynist for posting that in here.


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There seems to be an assumption running through this thread that the majority of people who voted Leave must not have had any rationale for what they were doing or any sense of consequence. That's one hell of an assumption.
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There seems to be an assumption running through this thread that the majority of people who voted Leave must not have had any rationale for what they were doing or any sense of consequence. That's one hell of an assumption.
For what it's worth, I've agreed with a lot of what you've said.

But if you're referring to my post in specific, I wasn't picking at only one side with that. I'm suggesting that most voters in general (in the UK or the US or anywhere else with stable, longstanding democratic voting) simply do not do their homework before they vote.
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No, not aimed at you at all. I just think the assumption tends to be that those who voted differently than what we would have done must not have had any idea what they were doing. If the vote had gone the other way, for example, would anyone now be questioning how informed the British voters are?
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There seems to be an assumption running through this thread that the majority of people who voted Leave must not have had any rationale for what they were doing or any sense of consequence. That's one hell of an assumption.




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