boycott Stoli? boycott Sochi 2014? - Page 2

Pearl · 07-27-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LJT

If you countenance a boycott of Russia over this why not Saudi Arabia or Pakistan over intolerance of homosexuals? Or at least over their intolerance of women? China over it's awful human rights record? The US over the questionable legality of drones (ignoring how morally absurd they are)? South Africa is a pretty poor place to be gay in as well. Ireland's shitty abortion laws?

Boycott's all sound ethically quite exciting but unless you are actually willing to go the full mile and apply the same moral reasoning to all states then it's a bit pointless and will only make you look like a hypocrite.

Exactly.

Jive Turkey · 07-27-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LJT

If you countenance a boycott of Russia over this why not Saudi Arabia or Pakistan over intolerance of homosexuals? Or at least over their intolerance of women? China over it's awful human rights record? The US over the questionable legality of drones (ignoring how morally absurd they are)? South Africa is a pretty poor place to be gay in as well. Ireland's shitty abortion laws?

Boycott's all sound ethically quite exciting but unless you are actually willing to go the full mile and apply the same moral reasoning to all states then it's a bit pointless and will only make you look like a hypocrite.

Straying a little off topic: I still have a hard time comprehending people's issue with drones. I think you're a good candidate to articulate that for me

Jive Turkey · 07-27-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearl

I'm not surprised. That whole thing was an embarrassment.

sucks to get lumped in with a bunch of yahoos in your country acting the fool

bono_212 · 07-27-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

I don't know how you guys felt about it there, but everyone else in the world was laughing at you

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

sucks to get lumped in with a bunch of yahoos in your country acting the fool

That's what amuses me so much about "You ignorant Americans" talk. Or any generalization talk. "Everyone else in the world was laughing at you". Nobody was laughing at me, I wasn't doing it.

Jive Turkey · 07-27-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bono_212

That's what amuses me so much about "You ignorant Americans" talk. Or any generalization talk. "Everyone else in the world was laughing at you". Nobody was laughing at me, I wasn't doing it.

Everyone was laughing at your country and you by extension. "dumb Americans" not "dumb some Americans".

People make generalization about every country. It isn't new

lol ahsley is a dumb american

bono_212 · 07-27-2013, 02:24 PM

Thus any generalization talk.

Jive Turkey · 07-27-2013, 02:48 PM

Why don't you go eat some freedom fries?

Irvine511 · 07-27-2013, 02:54 PM

Well, I guess it's a good thing no one boycotted anything from South Afica in the 1980s.

deep · 07-27-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Why don't you go eat some freedom fries?

I'd recommend the plantation fries

deep · 07-27-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

Well, I guess it's a good thing no one boycotted anything from South Afica in the 1980s.

South Africa became a pariah state, with it's only ally being Israel

what can come from this Vodka boycott?

yes boycotts can be effective
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Jive Turkey · 07-27-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

Well, I guess it's a good thing no one boycotted anything from South Afica in the 1980s.

Maybe someone can come up with something more thoughtful than "Let's boycott a Russian sounding vodka"

deep · 07-27-2013, 03:03 PM

The Bolshoi Ballet .

(Moscow State Academy of Choreography, commonly known as The Bolshoi Ballet Academy, founded in 1773 )

Irvine511 · 07-27-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Maybe someone can come up with something more thoughtful than "Let's boycott a Russian sounding vodka"

It's better than "lets boycott Russian caviar."

Jive Turkey · 07-27-2013, 03:51 PM

I think I already boycott Russian caviar...
and all other kinds of caviar

U2DMfan · 07-27-2013, 06:35 PM

I boycott everything Russian already.

Except for Maria Sharapova.

AEON · 07-27-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

what can come from this Vodka boycott?

Probably more gay-bashing in Russia...

If Stoli itself was condoning this government's treatment of gays - or systematically mistreated gays within it's own company, I could understand the boycott.

Irvine - I understand the need to do something - to make a difference over there. I'm not sure what the answer is, I just don't think this is it.

PhilsFan · 07-27-2013, 06:46 PM

Let's boycott the Brooklyn Nets.

Liesje · 07-27-2013, 09:48 PM

Boycotting products, movies, etc....sure, fine.

Boycotting the Olympics....please, no. It's disastrous for those that have *nothing* to do with it. Also there are sports that have been controlled almost entirely by politics (gymnastics, for example) until only pretty recently and we've had enough of that. I think boycotting the Olympics is bassackwards. The point of the Olympics is coming together for sport regardless of the political situation and again, only punishes (destroys, really) athletes.

bono_212 · 07-28-2013, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Why don't you go eat some freedom fries?

They go straight to my hips

cobl04 · 07-28-2013, 04:20 AM

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Well, I guess it's a good thing no one boycotted anything from South Afica in the 1980s.

That deprived Test cricket of so much.

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Jive Turkey ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,646 Local Time: 08:00 AM	I think I already boycott Russian caviar... and all other kinds of caviar

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Liesje Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the dog house Posts: 19,563 Local Time: 08:00 AM	Boycotting products, movies, etc....sure, fine. Boycotting the Olympics....please, no. It's disastrous for those that have nothing to do with it. Also there are sports that have been controlled almost entirely by politics (gymnastics, for example) until only pretty recently and we've had enough of that. I think boycotting the Olympics is bassackwards. The point of the Olympics is coming together for sport regardless of the political situation and again, only punishes (destroys, really) athletes.