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A_Wanderer
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It also sends a good message to children about taking responsibility for their actions.
theedgeu2
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Hehe I'm actually not that "fanatical in my beliefs". I am a believer but I don't really stress it that much. I don't go to church and am not entirely obsessed with it.
deep
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what person? who said person?
we are talking about God or Gods
it seems to be a requirement, just look back at all the belief systems and myths
why would monotheists give up such a winning bit of the equation?
modifications? no problem,
but don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs
A_Wanderer
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I really must learn how to be more open minded 
It's okay to torture and kill somebody if they're the son of God (and are in fact God) - why didn't anybody tell Alberto Gonzalez about this neat loophole.
They only need enough people to pray
Our father who art in Gitmo
It's okay to torture and kill somebody if they're the son of God (and are in fact God) - why didn't anybody tell Alberto Gonzalez about this neat loophole.
They only need enough people to pray
Our father who art in Gitmo
U2DMfan
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Why must any God adhere to the limits of our understanding?
Kieran McConville
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Christ, this thread is classy. Thanks again for starting it, Financeguy! I'm really feeling uplifted and inspired.
I'm with Kieran.
All I know is that, last week, I made some comments in this forum. Since then, my people have been visited with a plague of snowflakes that will not stop. 29" over the weekend, 24" more today, and more reportedly coming. I will post here no more. Call me superstitious, but I know what I know.
All I know is that, last week, I made some comments in this forum. Since then, my people have been visited with a plague of snowflakes that will not stop. 29" over the weekend, 24" more today, and more reportedly coming. I will post here no more. Call me superstitious, but I know what I know.
Vincent Vega
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For that post it will be 30" today. 
SethVincent
Refugee
& the two hundred plus thousand who died were just collateral damage they got in the way..
I need a T-Shirt that says
MURDER/EARTHQUAKES/TSUNAMI'S/TORNADO'S/FAMINE =
GOD'S POPULATION CONTROL
Vincent Vega
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But please no plurals with apostrophes on the shirt. 
toscano
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I remember when my prematurely-born son was in intensive care , my crazy wack job religious in laws were already starting with the "it's God will" crap when it looked like we'd lose him and the "we prayed for a miracle and got it" when he lived - Umm, no it was the DOCTORS who saved his ass
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financeguy
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deep
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you just don't get it
many don't
that miracle, that a little baby could be found alive in a tree
TWO WEEKS LATER
is proof that God does choose to do miracles, when he chooses
all the other deaths do not matter
if there were NO MIRACLES
then atheists would have better arguments!
DrTeeth
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Still waiting for someone's leg to grow back guys!
SethVincent
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Bonoa
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nathan1977
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Actually, I've had friends who have had crooked legs and backs made straight as a direct result of healing prayer.
I get leery of anyone who claims to be able to manifest (or manipulate) healing power. (Benny Hinn comes to mind, as does a host of others.) But that's not the same thing as believing that miraculous healings don't happen.
There was a film at Sundance about miraculous healing. At the end of the Q&A the director, Mark Ruffalo, was asked whether he believes in healing. His response was interesting: "I believe you get the healing you need, not the healing you want."
nathan1977
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That's kind of the whole point, actually. In the face of various tribal cultures who understood and embraced human sacrifice, traditional Judaism sacrificed lambs at the temple during Passover -- and followers of Jesus believe He was the fulfillment of such sacrifices, sent by God and being the very nature of God to declare once and for all that the debt was paid, by taking on the sum total debt of humanity's sin and brokenness.
What human sacrifice could not do, God did by putting Himself in our place.
A_Wanderer
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My question has been answered, and I still find such sacrifice repulsive.
nathan1977
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The cross is a brutal, horrific symbol of death. It's weird that Christians revere it so. I understand its significance in what I believe, but I find the empty tomb much more indicative of the faith I pursue. Romanticizing the crucifixion seems to be missing the point.
BVS
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There was no modern medicine at play at all?
Irvine511
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many of the posts in here become good arguments for atheism, intended or not.
PhilsFan
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This is why every time I start to lighten up to Christianity, I'm reminded why I hate it so.
Just listen to what you just said.
nathan1977
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No. In at least two occasions, they went to the doctors the next day, who were confounded. Another friend had the same experience with cancer. There was no medical explanation for what happened.
Yes, PhilsFan, I'm aware of what I said.
I'm not one to start running around and declaring magic cures. I think a lot of that stuff is a crock of hooey.
But I can no longer say that miracles don't happen.
PhilsFan
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Yes, your friends' prayers got their limbs healed. People die from an earthquake or a tsunami or a hurricane, but your friends' limbs are better because of God. Got it. OK.
nathan1977
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And a year ago my wife and I miscarried.
I understand the emotion behind this. I really do. At the same time, it's not like the world gets any better if you remove God from it. So, like I said before, maybe suffering doesn't prove the absence of God. Maybe God is found in the hands that pull people alive from the Haitian rubble long after they're supposed to be dead.
You can believe in miracles but the reference to "direct result" above is still a silly statement.
deep
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we tell ourselves stories
that is the only truth
that is the only truth
nathan1977
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You can believe in miracles but the reference to "direct result" above is still a silly statement.
Not if you were there.
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