Arizona bill 1070

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

some dip shit wants to boycott arizona iced teas because of this new law.

arizona iced tea company is based out of new york.

Morons on all sides...

[MrsSpringsteen]

[BVS]

That's great

[MrsSpringsteen]

I guess the "newspaper" front page was more about the 2010 election base issue, but they probably do think he's dissing white guys about this Arizona issue as well

He hates white males

[BVS]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

He hates white males

If Glenn Beck said it, you know it's true.

[corianderstem]

You know what this means? All those damned white illegal immigrants from Canada, Ireland and wherever else are going to flock to Arizona and walk around freely without a care in the world, because they don't have a chance of being suspected of being here illegally!

Party in AZ, whooo!!!!

[KhanadaRhodes]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

some dip shit wants to boycott arizona iced teas because of this new law.

arizona iced tea company is based out of new york.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

they can take our wives, but they shall never take my arnold palmer lite's.

[BVS]

Glenn said today that liberals are just hate filled people who are uneducated, so when they use the term "nazi" it's just mean name calling.

When he uses it, he can back it up with his revisionist version of historical "facts".

Let that be a lesson to you all...

[deep]

Where is Rachel Maddow and Oberman's concrete evidence????????????



they never have the guts to write it on a chalk board for all to see.

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by BVS

Glenn said today that liberals are just hate filled people who are uneducated...

I know personally, I'm trying to steer clear of the generalizations that tend to fly out of my fingers online when I'm all riled up with political outrage, so maybe I'm just projecting a little bit ...

... does that read to anyone else like he's making a sly joke to turn around the left's usual generalization about conservatives?

I might be overestimating Senor Beck.

[RedRocksU2]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

This is going on my Facebook.

[U2387]

Originally Posted by BVS

I don't know the specifics on this to be honest.

I asked a friend of mine who is in law enforcement here in TX and I asked him about this subject once.

He said, no one wants to touch the subject because it's a butterfly effect. The cops don't care if they aren't doing harm because they know they've used them for labor on their ranch or in their yards at one point. Politicians don't want to do anything because they know local prices would start climbing if a mass exodus was made, or they know that some company they invest in uses illegal labor at some point. It's a dirty not so secret that here in TX a large percentage of farming uses undocumented labor, lots of smaller hotels, cooks and bus boys, a big portion of construction, and even road construction.

There's a local Republican politician that I know for a fact uses undocumented labor(or at least used to as of 5 years ago), it's one of the reasons he remains so quiet on the subject.

The dirty secret is that very few really want to do anything about it, they know there's very little pay off. But it's a great talking point, it solidifies your xenophobic base.

Reagan understood this...

Great post!

I tend to think that the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill(its outline has been there forever) was not perfect, but something like it is the best shot at getting the issue to something that looks reasonably like a solution.

People got caught up in "amnesty" and called it that and the bill was killed. That was the Republicans. Then the Democrats(Dorgan, a few others) that helped defeat it in 2007 were all up in arms about the downward effect on wages from Bush's guest worker program. Well, if the Republicans had stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh and the Democrats had listened to Ted Kennedy's pleas not to make the perfect the enemy of the good, it would have passed. I mean, I was pissed at those few Democrats- they didn't think that you could modify or take out the guest worker program at a later date?
Ridiculous.

Not to mention, this is not amnesty, as that entails, not implies, but entails getting off free. The immigration reform bills heavily fine those already in the country illegally and require they line up behind all those in the line legally, learn English, and by the way, if you have so much as run a red light or stole a pack of gum, you're out of here! After a certain date, the fine and get in line deal was off, and all those who newly crossed the border illegally were to be deported. So "fine and in line" was not the ideal solution even for the framers of the bill, just the most practical and cost effective solution to our failure to secure the borders in the past.

McCain-Kennedy was actually devoted, in very large part, to better border control, more funding for law enforcement units directly focused on issues like kidnapping and drug/gun running. It also imposed swift fines on those who hire illegals and started the process for an e-verification system for workers. E-verify is much, much harder to falsify than Social Security cards.

So a good, non amnesty bill was killed because Republicans listened to talk radio and the right wing fringe and Democrats made the perfect the enemy of the good, what else is new?

As you did a great job of pointing out, BVS, Republicans understand the workers in the country illegally and how widespread they are. The cops clearly understand that enforcing a law like this could be more trouble than it is worth, and take the focus off guns and drugs, etc.

You mentioned a local Republican politician using undocumented labor, well I have a national one: Mitt Romney! As recently as 2006/07. Nonetheless, look for Mitt to show up at the "lets take our country back from the Mexicans" rallies that will undoubtedly take place this summer. Of course, lost in all this is the fact that, since the recession hit, millions of illegals have gone home to Mexico, we have much less than we did in 2006.

I would trust more Republicans on this issue if they did not only talk about it in an election year to whip up the base. GW Bush, to his great credit, got this issue and actually worked hard regardless of the year to try and see McCain-Kennedy passed.

So we have one party once again whipping up the fringe into a frenzy instead of looking to solve the real problem that they know exists and will only get worse when left to emotions and talking points.

One thing should be crystal clear, the Republican Party, and America in general, can no longer afford to listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck on these issues. They whip up the base and make it harder for any Republican to get anything done for fear of pissing them off. Just look at what has happened- John McCain would, in all likelihood, vote against the very bill he wrote in 2006 today. Charlie Crist, a few short months ago a rising GOP star is poised to bolt the party.

[Bluer White]

I hope the Arizona bill goes through court proceedings quickly. That way other states will know their options.

[BVS]

For the last several days I keep hearing from talk radio that this law "only enforces the existing federal law", if that is the case then why not just execute a state memorandum?

Can some of you supporters explain this to me? And what precautions or wording is put in place so that this doesn't give free reign on racial profiling?

What do you honestly think will be gained by this law?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

I hope the Arizona bill goes through court proceedings quickly. That way other states will know their options.

But every state already has this law, it just enforces the federal law.

Right? I mean they can't possibly be lying to us.

[Bluer White]

"Now suddenly if you don't have your papers, and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to get harassed – that's something that could potentially happen," Obama said of the Arizona measure. "That's not the right way to go."

Legal aliens are obligated to carry their green card on them, Mr. President. It's federal law.

[BVS]

What is a "legal alien"?

Regardless, you still missed his point

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Legal aliens are obligated to carry their green card on them, Mr. President. It's federal law.

i know, right? if you have nothing to hide, then what are you afraid of? it's not like people ever step outside without their driver's license. maybe they could just wear some sort of armband, like with a sombrero or a tamale? that would ease identification.

papieren, bitte.

[MrsSpringsteen]

I just hope Obama has his birth certificate on him when he takes Sasha and Malia out for ice cream.