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Old 07-07-2010, 05:11 PM   #501
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You can't even take your kid out for ice cream without being detained and waterboarded around here.
Notice on what grounds the Justice Dept filed suit,

and on what grounds they did not file (racial profiling).
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I wouldn't count on "some answer on that" anytime soon.
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Notice on what grounds the Justice Dept filed suit,

and on what grounds they did not file (racial profiling).
Exactly. Amazing isn't it ?
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Interesting article in the NY Times today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/us...licals.html?hp

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At a time when the prospects for immigration overhaul seem most dim, supporters have unleashed a secret weapon: a group of influential evangelical Christian leaders.

Normally on the opposite side of political issues backed by the Obama White House, these leaders are aligning with the president to support an overhaul that would include some path to legalization for illegal immigrants already here. They are preaching from pulpits, conducting conference calls with pastors and testifying in Washington — as they did last Wednesday.

“I am a Christian and I am a conservative and I am a Republican, in that order,” said Matthew D. Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, a conservative religious law firm. “There is very little I agree with regarding President Barack Obama. On the other hand, I’m not going to let politicized rhetoric or party affiliation trump my values, and if he’s right on this issue, I will support him on this issue.”

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“Hispanics are religious, family-oriented, pro-life, entrepreneurial,” said the Rev. Richard D. Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the Southern Baptist Convention’s public policy arm. “They are hard-wired social conservatives, unless they’re driven away.

“I’ve had some older conservative leaders say: ‘Richard, stop this. You’re going to split the conservative coalition,’ ” Dr. Land continued. “I say it might split the old conservative coalition, but it won’t split the new one. And if the new one is going to be a governing coalition, it’s going to have to have a lot of Hispanics in it. And you don’t get a lot of Hispanics in your coalition by engaging in anti-Hispanic anti-immigration rhetoric.”

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The support of evangelical leaders is not yet enough to change the equation. But they could mobilize a potentially large constituency of religious conservatives, an important part of the Republican base better known for lobbying against abortion and same-sex marriage. They already threaten the party’s near unity on immigration.
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Old 07-20-2010, 01:22 AM   #505
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Here's something I found hilarious:

Arizona turns off speed cameras - Telegraph

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A spokesman for Jan Brewer... said she "was uncomfortable with the intrusive nature of the system"
I swear I thought this was an Onion article at first.
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a camera is not as smart as the human mind, in spotting law-breakers
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Old 07-20-2010, 11:36 AM   #507
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Most here don't have one iota of a clue what 1070 is about, and a few have even lied here and said they've read it.

1070 is friendlier than the Fed Law, has provisions against profiling.. and adds as a deterrent to criminals such as coyotes, droop house owners and drug runners.

We were forced to add this because the Feds refused to help us, and guess what-it's working.

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Old 07-20-2010, 12:27 PM   #508
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<>, I think it's silly for you to come in here and say most have no clue when you couldn't even answer the direct questions asked of you. The only person that even attempted was BigJohn, and he was at least honest about it.

What's working?
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Most here don't have one iota of a clue what 1070 is about, and a few have even lied here and said they've read it.
So that's why you haven't been around FYM that much lately. How long is the course-work for Introductory Mind Reading?
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something else to add:

the issue of immigration has always been a FEDERAL issue. individual states do not deal with the issue. furthermore it is a FEDERAL, not state, crime to be an illegal alien under the Immigration and Nationality Act and Title 8 of the United States Code. States never enforced immigration law. But now we have Arizona trying to make immigration law fall under STATE law so it can be enforced at the STATE level. I guess Arizona feels the feds are doing a piss poor job on enforcing it's own law (which they would be right), so maybe they think they could do a better job themselves. it's really not a bad idea to have that duel level of enforcement, if it's done correctly, as ive stated before.

i might be stating the obvious, but i wanted to clear up the jurisdiction issue for those not aware who does what.
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But don't they eventually have to turn the issue over to the Feds? This law doesn't change that, does it? So I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about.
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Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law - Yahoo! News

Immigration is a Federal issue,
the citizens of Arizona should put pressure on their GOP politicians to get to work on a Federal Immigration Bill
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What's the [censored] with these people?"

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As the AZ Daily Star reports, Elton John brought the immigration law (S.B. 1070) issue up during the Tucson concert on July 22 (which was pushed back a day due to food poisoning). Elton John used some salty language when he addressed the Tucson Convention Center crowd, speaking passionately about artists who are participating in a grassroots boycott against the embattled state over S.B. 1070:

"We are all very pleased to be playing in Arizona. I have read that some of the artists won't come here. They are [censored] wits! Let's face it: I still play in California, and as a gay man I have no legal rights whatsoever. So what's the [censored] with these people?"
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Elton loves a paycheck.
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I guess that is why he won't boycott CA, the anti-gay state.
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Elton loves a paycheck.
Who doesn't? The question is where he should draw the line? I suppose that's up to him (as well as to the artists he's criticizing).
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Didn't he sing at Rush's wedding?
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Didn't he sing at Rush's wedding?
He did.
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Those that are left in here, or those that are lurking will definately not like this:

OPB News Under Obama, More Illegal Immigrants Sent Home

It has facts, and you won't find them on Fox, Hannity, or Beck...


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In fact, the federal government under President Obama has steadily increased the deportation of illegal immigrants. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency says it's on track to expel some 400,000 people this year, 8 percent more than 2008 -- the last year of the Bush administration.
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The Obama administration is also targeting employers who hire illegal immigrants. But instead of conducting a few high-profile raids and hauling workers away in handcuffs, the government is auditing the working papers filed at hundreds more companies. And there's been a nearly six-fold increase in the past two years in employer fines.
Doesn't really sound like a global Socialism ploy to me

Why does Beck lie to us?
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By JACQUES BILLEAUD and AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press Writers

PHOENIX – Lost in the hoopla over Arizona's immigration law is the fact that state and local authorities for years have been doing their own aggressive crackdowns in the busiest illegal gateway into the country.

Nowhere in the U.S. is local enforcement more present than in metropolitan Phoenix, where Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio routinely carries out sweeps, some in Hispanic neighborhoods, to arrest illegal immigrants. The tactics have made him the undisputed poster boy for local immigration enforcement and the anger that so many authorities feel about the issue.

"It's my job," said Arpaio, standing beside a sheriff's truck that has a number for an immigration hot line written on its side. "I have two state (immigration) laws that I am enforcing. It's not federal, it's state."

A ruling Wednesday by a federal judge put on hold parts of the new law that would have required officers to dig deeper into the fight against illegal immigration. Arizona says it was forced to act because the federal government isn't doing its job to fight immigration.

The issue led to demonstrations across the country Thursday, including one directed at Arpaio in Phoenix in which protesters beat on the metal door of a jail and chanted, "Sheriff Joe, we are here. We will not live in fear."

Meanwhile, Gov. Jan Brewer's lawyers went to court to overturn the judge's ruling so they can fight back against what the Republican calls an "invasion" of illegal immigrants.

Ever since the main flow of illegal immigrants into the country shifted to Arizona a decade ago, state politicians and local police have been feeling pressure to confront the state's border woes.

In addition to Arpaio's crackdowns, other efforts include a steady stream of busts by the state and local police of stash houses where smugglers hide illegal immigrants. The state attorney general has taken a money-wiring company to civil court on allegations that smugglers used their service to move money to Mexico. And a county south of Phoenix has its sheriff's deputies patrol dangerous smuggling corridors.

The Arizona Legislature have enacted a series of tough-on-immigration measures in recent years that culminated with the law signed by Brewer in April, catapulting the Republican to the national political stage.

But the king of local immigration enforcement is still Arpaio.

Arpaio, a 78-year-old ex-federal drug agent who fashions himself as a modern-day John Wayne, launched his latest sweep Thursday afternoon, sending about 200 sheriff's deputies and trained volunteers out across metro Phoenix to look for traffic violators who may be here illegally.

Deputy Bob Dalton and volunteer Heath Kowacz spotted a driver with a cracked windshield in a poor Phoenix neighborhood near a busy freeway. Dalton triggered the red and blue police lights and pulled over 28-year-old Alfredo Salas, who was born in Mexico but has lived in Phoenix with a resident alien card since 1993.

Dalton gave him a warning after Salas produced his license and registration and told him to get the windshield fixed.

Salas, a married father of two who installs granite, told The Associated Press that he was treated well but he wondered whether he was pulled over because his truck is a Ford Lobo.

"It's a Mexican truck so I don't know if they saw that and said, 'I wonder if he has papers or not,'" Salas said. "If that's the case, it kind of gets me upset."

Sixty percent of the nearly 1,000 people arrested in the sweeps since early 2008 have been illegal immigrants. Thursday's dragnet led to four arrests, but it wasn't clear if any of them were illegal immigrants.

Critics say deputies racially profile Hispanics. Arpaio says deputies approach people only when they have probable cause.

"Sheriff Joe Arpaio and some other folks there decided they can make a name for themselves in terms of the intensity of the efforts they're using," said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the pro-immigrant Immigration Policy Center. "There's no way to deny that. There are a lot of people getting caught up in these efforts."

The Justice Department launched an investigation of his office nearly 17 months ago over allegations of discrimination and unconstitutional searches and seizures. Although the department has declined to detail its investigation, Arpaio believes it centers on his sweeps.

Arpaio feels no reservations about continuing to push the sweeps, even after the federal government stripped his power to let 100 deputies make federal immigration arrests.

Unable to make arrests under a federal statute, the sheriff instead relied on a nearly 5-year-old state law that prohibits immigrant smuggling. He has also raided 37 businesses in enforcing a state law that prohibits employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.

"I'm not going to brag," Arpaio said. "Just look at the record. I'm doing what I feel is right for the people of Maricopa County."
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