BVS
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But don't they eventually have to turn the issue over to the Feds? This law doesn't change that, does it? So I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about.
Arizona bill 1070
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deep
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Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law - Yahoo! News
Immigration is a Federal issue,
the citizens of Arizona should put pressure on their GOP politicians to get to work on a Federal Immigration Bill
Immigration is a Federal issue,
the citizens of Arizona should put pressure on their GOP politicians to get to work on a Federal Immigration Bill
deep
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What's the [censored] with these people?"
martha
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Elton loves a paycheck.
deep
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I guess that is why he won't boycott CA, the anti-gay state.
maycocksean
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Who doesn't? The question is where he should draw the line? I suppose that's up to him (as well as to the artists he's criticizing).
martha
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Didn't he sing at Rush's wedding?
maycocksean
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He did.
BVS
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Those that are left in here, or those that are lurking will definately not like this:
OPB News Under Obama, More Illegal Immigrants Sent Home
It has facts, and you won't find them on Fox, Hannity, or Beck...
Doesn't really sound like a global Socialism ploy to me
Why does Beck lie to us?
OPB News Under Obama, More Illegal Immigrants Sent Home
It has facts, and you won't find them on Fox, Hannity, or Beck...
Doesn't really sound like a global Socialism ploy to me
Why does Beck lie to us?
MrsSpringsteen
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By JACQUES BILLEAUD and AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press Writers
PHOENIX – Lost in the hoopla over Arizona's immigration law is the fact that state and local authorities for years have been doing their own aggressive crackdowns in the busiest illegal gateway into the country.
Nowhere in the U.S. is local enforcement more present than in metropolitan Phoenix, where Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio routinely carries out sweeps, some in Hispanic neighborhoods, to arrest illegal immigrants. The tactics have made him the undisputed poster boy for local immigration enforcement and the anger that so many authorities feel about the issue.
"It's my job," said Arpaio, standing beside a sheriff's truck that has a number for an immigration hot line written on its side. "I have two state (immigration) laws that I am enforcing. It's not federal, it's state."
A ruling Wednesday by a federal judge put on hold parts of the new law that would have required officers to dig deeper into the fight against illegal immigration. Arizona says it was forced to act because the federal government isn't doing its job to fight immigration.
The issue led to demonstrations across the country Thursday, including one directed at Arpaio in Phoenix in which protesters beat on the metal door of a jail and chanted, "Sheriff Joe, we are here. We will not live in fear."
Meanwhile, Gov. Jan Brewer's lawyers went to court to overturn the judge's ruling so they can fight back against what the Republican calls an "invasion" of illegal immigrants.
Ever since the main flow of illegal immigrants into the country shifted to Arizona a decade ago, state politicians and local police have been feeling pressure to confront the state's border woes.
In addition to Arpaio's crackdowns, other efforts include a steady stream of busts by the state and local police of stash houses where smugglers hide illegal immigrants. The state attorney general has taken a money-wiring company to civil court on allegations that smugglers used their service to move money to Mexico. And a county south of Phoenix has its sheriff's deputies patrol dangerous smuggling corridors.
The Arizona Legislature have enacted a series of tough-on-immigration measures in recent years that culminated with the law signed by Brewer in April, catapulting the Republican to the national political stage.
But the king of local immigration enforcement is still Arpaio.
Arpaio, a 78-year-old ex-federal drug agent who fashions himself as a modern-day John Wayne, launched his latest sweep Thursday afternoon, sending about 200 sheriff's deputies and trained volunteers out across metro Phoenix to look for traffic violators who may be here illegally.
Deputy Bob Dalton and volunteer Heath Kowacz spotted a driver with a cracked windshield in a poor Phoenix neighborhood near a busy freeway. Dalton triggered the red and blue police lights and pulled over 28-year-old Alfredo Salas, who was born in Mexico but has lived in Phoenix with a resident alien card since 1993.
Dalton gave him a warning after Salas produced his license and registration and told him to get the windshield fixed.
Salas, a married father of two who installs granite, told The Associated Press that he was treated well but he wondered whether he was pulled over because his truck is a Ford Lobo.
"It's a Mexican truck so I don't know if they saw that and said, 'I wonder if he has papers or not,'" Salas said. "If that's the case, it kind of gets me upset."
Sixty percent of the nearly 1,000 people arrested in the sweeps since early 2008 have been illegal immigrants. Thursday's dragnet led to four arrests, but it wasn't clear if any of them were illegal immigrants.
Critics say deputies racially profile Hispanics. Arpaio says deputies approach people only when they have probable cause.
"Sheriff Joe Arpaio and some other folks there decided they can make a name for themselves in terms of the intensity of the efforts they're using," said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the pro-immigrant Immigration Policy Center. "There's no way to deny that. There are a lot of people getting caught up in these efforts."
The Justice Department launched an investigation of his office nearly 17 months ago over allegations of discrimination and unconstitutional searches and seizures. Although the department has declined to detail its investigation, Arpaio believes it centers on his sweeps.
Arpaio feels no reservations about continuing to push the sweeps, even after the federal government stripped his power to let 100 deputies make federal immigration arrests.
Unable to make arrests under a federal statute, the sheriff instead relied on a nearly 5-year-old state law that prohibits immigrant smuggling. He has also raided 37 businesses in enforcing a state law that prohibits employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
"I'm not going to brag," Arpaio said. "Just look at the record. I'm doing what I feel is right for the people of Maricopa County."
PHOENIX – Lost in the hoopla over Arizona's immigration law is the fact that state and local authorities for years have been doing their own aggressive crackdowns in the busiest illegal gateway into the country.
Nowhere in the U.S. is local enforcement more present than in metropolitan Phoenix, where Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio routinely carries out sweeps, some in Hispanic neighborhoods, to arrest illegal immigrants. The tactics have made him the undisputed poster boy for local immigration enforcement and the anger that so many authorities feel about the issue.
"It's my job," said Arpaio, standing beside a sheriff's truck that has a number for an immigration hot line written on its side. "I have two state (immigration) laws that I am enforcing. It's not federal, it's state."
A ruling Wednesday by a federal judge put on hold parts of the new law that would have required officers to dig deeper into the fight against illegal immigration. Arizona says it was forced to act because the federal government isn't doing its job to fight immigration.
The issue led to demonstrations across the country Thursday, including one directed at Arpaio in Phoenix in which protesters beat on the metal door of a jail and chanted, "Sheriff Joe, we are here. We will not live in fear."
Meanwhile, Gov. Jan Brewer's lawyers went to court to overturn the judge's ruling so they can fight back against what the Republican calls an "invasion" of illegal immigrants.
Ever since the main flow of illegal immigrants into the country shifted to Arizona a decade ago, state politicians and local police have been feeling pressure to confront the state's border woes.
In addition to Arpaio's crackdowns, other efforts include a steady stream of busts by the state and local police of stash houses where smugglers hide illegal immigrants. The state attorney general has taken a money-wiring company to civil court on allegations that smugglers used their service to move money to Mexico. And a county south of Phoenix has its sheriff's deputies patrol dangerous smuggling corridors.
The Arizona Legislature have enacted a series of tough-on-immigration measures in recent years that culminated with the law signed by Brewer in April, catapulting the Republican to the national political stage.
But the king of local immigration enforcement is still Arpaio.
Arpaio, a 78-year-old ex-federal drug agent who fashions himself as a modern-day John Wayne, launched his latest sweep Thursday afternoon, sending about 200 sheriff's deputies and trained volunteers out across metro Phoenix to look for traffic violators who may be here illegally.
Deputy Bob Dalton and volunteer Heath Kowacz spotted a driver with a cracked windshield in a poor Phoenix neighborhood near a busy freeway. Dalton triggered the red and blue police lights and pulled over 28-year-old Alfredo Salas, who was born in Mexico but has lived in Phoenix with a resident alien card since 1993.
Dalton gave him a warning after Salas produced his license and registration and told him to get the windshield fixed.
Salas, a married father of two who installs granite, told The Associated Press that he was treated well but he wondered whether he was pulled over because his truck is a Ford Lobo.
"It's a Mexican truck so I don't know if they saw that and said, 'I wonder if he has papers or not,'" Salas said. "If that's the case, it kind of gets me upset."
Sixty percent of the nearly 1,000 people arrested in the sweeps since early 2008 have been illegal immigrants. Thursday's dragnet led to four arrests, but it wasn't clear if any of them were illegal immigrants.
Critics say deputies racially profile Hispanics. Arpaio says deputies approach people only when they have probable cause.
"Sheriff Joe Arpaio and some other folks there decided they can make a name for themselves in terms of the intensity of the efforts they're using," said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the pro-immigrant Immigration Policy Center. "There's no way to deny that. There are a lot of people getting caught up in these efforts."
The Justice Department launched an investigation of his office nearly 17 months ago over allegations of discrimination and unconstitutional searches and seizures. Although the department has declined to detail its investigation, Arpaio believes it centers on his sweeps.
Arpaio feels no reservations about continuing to push the sweeps, even after the federal government stripped his power to let 100 deputies make federal immigration arrests.
Unable to make arrests under a federal statute, the sheriff instead relied on a nearly 5-year-old state law that prohibits immigrant smuggling. He has also raided 37 businesses in enforcing a state law that prohibits employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
"I'm not going to brag," Arpaio said. "Just look at the record. I'm doing what I feel is right for the people of Maricopa County."
dazzlingamy
Refugee
Just got back from my lovely holiday in Spain where all there was in siesta time at the hotel was CNN so watched a lot on this bill and was thinking a bit about it especially the racial profiling issue.
Why is wrong to ask someone who looks hispanic after you've arrested them for something if they are legally in the country? When the majority of illegial people in Arizona are from mexico/central america why is it seen as discrimatory to ask them?
I understand the issue behind racial profiling and discrimination but in this case I don't really see an issue? When I arrive in the USA i am asked all sorts of questions at border control because i am not am american citizen. When I was pulled over while driving for a random inspection the police asked to see my passport to check my visa. I did not feel discriminated against, I understand there are rules and regulations and my veeeeeeeeery strine accent certainly made me stand out from an american citizen.
My issue isn't with illegial immigrants coming to the usa, but more with the major issue of racial profiling people seem to have... I just don't see why its such a big deal?
Stereotyping is one thing, but when they are cracking down on mexican/central american people coming illegially over the border and then want to ask someone who looks or sounds like a mexican/central american if they are here legally, then why is that a problem?
Why is wrong to ask someone who looks hispanic after you've arrested them for something if they are legally in the country? When the majority of illegial people in Arizona are from mexico/central america why is it seen as discrimatory to ask them?
I understand the issue behind racial profiling and discrimination but in this case I don't really see an issue? When I arrive in the USA i am asked all sorts of questions at border control because i am not am american citizen. When I was pulled over while driving for a random inspection the police asked to see my passport to check my visa. I did not feel discriminated against, I understand there are rules and regulations and my veeeeeeeeery strine accent certainly made me stand out from an american citizen.
My issue isn't with illegial immigrants coming to the usa, but more with the major issue of racial profiling people seem to have... I just don't see why its such a big deal?
Stereotyping is one thing, but when they are cracking down on mexican/central american people coming illegially over the border and then want to ask someone who looks or sounds like a mexican/central american if they are here legally, then why is that a problem?
HBK-79
War Child
^I have quite a few African-American friends who've been pulled over and harassed by police. They say it's racial profiling, but they shrug their shoulders and say "That's the way the world is".
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Irvine511
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dazzlingamy
Refugee
Well I would but not in Australia at the moment.
So say if something is statistically very high in one area, we can't look that way without being called a racist? I am genuinely interested in the very PC area of this and how its become almost the main issue in the whole thing. I don't see why if I am asked for ID when i sound Australian and someone getting asked for id if they look/sound mexican is any different? This isn't someone in New York, this is people living just across the border where people are excaping through all the time, and by reading lots of articles, it seems like this sort of questioning already happens.
But whatever. Whenever a race is singled out we always have to call racism right? Unless its positive and then we can all clap for them, but if its in a negative light then we all back peddle like crazy.
America has my fingerprints on file, every time i come into te country they scan them to check im the same person, same goes for UK because im on a biometric visa. I think its way over the top, but its a necessary part of travel, should i feel discrimnated against being a non us/uk citizen as well?
So say if something is statistically very high in one area, we can't look that way without being called a racist? I am genuinely interested in the very PC area of this and how its become almost the main issue in the whole thing. I don't see why if I am asked for ID when i sound Australian and someone getting asked for id if they look/sound mexican is any different? This isn't someone in New York, this is people living just across the border where people are excaping through all the time, and by reading lots of articles, it seems like this sort of questioning already happens.
But whatever. Whenever a race is singled out we always have to call racism right? Unless its positive and then we can all clap for them, but if its in a negative light then we all back peddle like crazy.
America has my fingerprints on file, every time i come into te country they scan them to check im the same person, same goes for UK because im on a biometric visa. I think its way over the top, but its a necessary part of travel, should i feel discrimnated against being a non us/uk citizen as well?
You seem to be forgetting that there is a very large Hispanic (Mexican and otherwise) population in America which is comprised of legal immigrants and American citizens. The U.S. Government estimates that 62% of the roughly 47 million Hispanics in the U.S. are American-born. I believe that's more people than all of Australia. Why should they be subject to the same scrutiny as you, a non-citizen?
dazzlingamy
Refugee
true true, but i thought this law was only in Arizona, which has a border with Mexico and is a known way in for illegal immigrants. Its like stemming the tide at the edge of the land. Of the 11 million illegal immigrants over 85% are mexican or hispanic, therefore i don't necessarily see it as intentionally discrimatory racial profiling but more than just a 'stab in the dark'
i don't think they need the same scruitiny as me, but if there are over 8 million hispanic people who are living illegally in the us, then surely they should have to go through the same channels as every other citizen who wants to live in the us (that is another issue all together!)
i don't think they need the same scruitiny as me, but if there are over 8 million hispanic people who are living illegally in the us, then surely they should have to go through the same channels as every other citizen who wants to live in the us (that is another issue all together!)
maycocksean
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Do you all feel that there are actually people who support illegal immigration or is that just a mischaracterization of the issue?
What would be the arguments against say requiring people to show proof of citizenship when applying for food stamps? And what would be the argument against automatically deporting those who are found to be in the country illegally?
I often end up opposing those who are demanding stronger enforcement of immigration laws because of the blatant racism evident in the arguments, but the truth is I can't see why anyone reasonable person would oppose more stringent illegal immigration standards.
What would be the arguments against say requiring people to show proof of citizenship when applying for food stamps? And what would be the argument against automatically deporting those who are found to be in the country illegally?
I often end up opposing those who are demanding stronger enforcement of immigration laws because of the blatant racism evident in the arguments, but the truth is I can't see why anyone reasonable person would oppose more stringent illegal immigration standards.
ntalwar
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Something like a quarter to a third of Arizona is of Hispanic descent - that's a lot of people to suspect. Interesting how you use "sound" for Australian but "look/sound" for Mexican - that's a poor analogy.
dazzlingamy
Refugee
well obviously I can't say I look Australian as i'm a white descendent from the UK like most white americans etc, i don't mean you can look 'mexican' i meant look hispanic etc, poorly chosen words i agree!
I didn't think we were suspecting every single hispanic person on the street, i thought this bill was about when someone is arrested they are asked for id rather than going up to hispanic people in restuarants and knocking on doors demanding papers. I thought it was more to the fact of is someone is acting suspicious they can ask (and obviously if they then exploit this its for the law enfourcement to crack down on etc)
I didn't think we were suspecting every single hispanic person on the street, i thought this bill was about when someone is arrested they are asked for id rather than going up to hispanic people in restuarants and knocking on doors demanding papers. I thought it was more to the fact of is someone is acting suspicious they can ask (and obviously if they then exploit this its for the law enfourcement to crack down on etc)
martha
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Go back and read through the thread. That's exactly what the police were doing last time Arizona tried something like this.
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deep
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Illegals Could Work Legally Under Utah's Immigration Bill
Conservative Utah does it differently than Arizona.
Conservative Utah does it differently than Arizona.
INDY500
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A 51st State? Some In Arizona Want A Split : NPR
Ha, seeing as how foolish Democratic lawmakers in Wisconsin and here in Indiana looked when they ran off and hid in Illinois because they didn't get their way in the Statehouse. Guess Democrats have hit on a new plan to insure a majority in perpetuity... gerrymander their own state.
Best part. Watching them try and design a state flag that doesn't offend some liberal group somewhere.
Ha, seeing as how foolish Democratic lawmakers in Wisconsin and here in Indiana looked when they ran off and hid in Illinois because they didn't get their way in the Statehouse. Guess Democrats have hit on a new plan to insure a majority in perpetuity... gerrymander their own state.Best part. Watching them try and design a state flag that doesn't offend some liberal group somewhere.
BVS
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Maybe they should talk to Gov Perry about how succession, and how well that's going.
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If I lived in Arizona I'd find any way to leave it as well, including secession.
Could be worse, these people could be living in Florida: the bacteria-ridden, wood-paneled, fecal matter-contaminated hot tub of America.
Could be worse, these people could be living in Florida: the bacteria-ridden, wood-paneled, fecal matter-contaminated hot tub of America.
PhilsFan
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And it's fucking humid. Holy shit. I spent a week there in April a few years back and sweated my balls off the whole time.
i laugh that they just want to become their own state. why not a whole different country? oh that's right, they still want all the good stuff america can offer, just no homos or darkies can have any rights.
kramwest1
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Anyone else starting to see the cracks forming in our Federalist system?
I'm not secess-trash, but I'm increasingly not a unionist either.
I'm not secess-trash, but I'm increasingly not a unionist either.
INDY500
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UPDATE 2-US high court appears to back Arizona on immigration | Reuters
Oh,oh. Expect more thinly-veiled threats from the constitutional teacher-in-chief against that "unelected group of people" in the black robes.
Oh,oh. Expect more thinly-veiled threats from the constitutional teacher-in-chief against that "unelected group of people" in the black robes.
Dfit00
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Bro, have you ever been to South Beach?
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