Arizona bill 1070

[martha]

I know, I read the paper too much; generation gap, blah blah blah.

This was interesting yesterday:

Is the anxiety over Arizona's immigration law justified? Depends on whom you ask - latimes.com

Rodriguez is a 51-year-old naturalized American of Mexican descent. He and his wife, Antonia, have known my mother since the 1980s, when they were active members of Sedona's Catholic church.....Now the climate there has grown very ugly for people of Mexican descent, Rodriguez told me.

He's grown used to being stopped by police who demand various documents. Often the stops seem arbitrary. Sometimes a patrol car will tailgate his vehicle on the highways around Cottonwood.

[MissVelvetDress_75]

Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies - Yahoo! News

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by MissVelvetDress_75

Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies - Yahoo! News

this one's a tad bit trickier than the other one...

[BVS]

Originally Posted by MissVelvetDress_75

Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies - Yahoo! News

Are some of you still not convinced they are going after the racist vote?

[Irvine511]

while it's not at all true that most Republicans are racists, it is absolutely true that Republicans have offered a safe haven for racists.

this bill, however, goes deeper than pure racism. for example, it has cultural and ethnic panic as well.

[deep]

this issue (argument) has many components

to demonize people that have come down one one side of the argument or the other is really not fair.

should sanctuary cities be boycotted?

[BVS]

deep, are you talking about the ethnic studies law?

I'm not sure how your post relates...

[deep]

this thread is about
Arizona bill 1070

which has broad support nationally


but that new ethnic studies law does have a few components to take into consideration

[BVS]

Originally Posted by deep

this thread is about
Arizona bill 1070

which has broad support nationally

And misunderstood nationally as well.

Originally Posted by deep

but that new ethnic studies law does have a few components to take into consideration

Like what for example?

[martha]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

this bill, however, goes deeper than pure racism. for example, it has cultural and ethnic panic as well.

Wait a minute. If I win the lottery and wanted to get a master's in American Indian Studies, that's now outlawed in Arizona??

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by martha

Wait a minute. If I win the lottery and wanted to get a master's in American Indian Studies, that's now outlawed in Arizona??

Arizona bill targeting ethnic studies signed into law - latimes.com



remember, real history is white history.

[Bluer White]

FOXNews.com - Holder Admits to Not Reading Arizona's Immigration Law Despite Criticizing It

Despite repeatedly voicing concerns about Arizona's new immigration enforcement law in recent weeks and threatening to challenge it, Attorney General Eric Holder said Thursday he has not yet read the law -- which is only 10 pages long.

"I have not had a chance to -- I've glanced at it," Holder said at a House Judiciary Committee hearing when asked had he read the state law cracking down on illegal immigrants.

[martha]

I can't find anything that specifies any ethnic studies programs at colleges.

But, either way, I'm done with AZ for a while. It hurts, because so much of what I love is there, but I can't really support their bullshit anymore.

[BVS]

When will a supporter tell me the reason the law was written?

I keep hearing, "it's because the federal law isn't being upheld".

Ok, but if this law is only made to uphold the federal law, how will it work? It doesn't make the state police ask for papers, so what's the reason? The existing law allowed state police to report illegal immigrants, what will change?

Diamond at least tried but failed and fleed when he realized he did so, so anyone else?

Once some of you realize it was only a political move the quicker we can talk about the real issue at hand.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by BVS

Once some of you realize it was only a political move the quicker we can talk about the real issue at hand.

Right, just politics.

Nothing at all to do with the drug traffic, murders, kidnappings, overcrowded prisons, overrun emergency rooms, overwhelmed schools, non-insured drivers, the identity theft, the overstressed government budgets or the loss of American jobs to non-citizens.

Just a bunch of 'misguided" bigots playing politics.

[martha]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Nothing at all to do with the drug traffic, murders, kidnappings, overcrowded prisons, overrun emergency rooms, overwhelmed schools, non-insured drivers, the identity theft, the overstressed government budgets or the loss of American jobs to non-citizens.

Yep. None of this is done by American citizens. None of it.

Jesus.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Right, just politics.

Nothing at all to do with the drug traffic, murders, kidnappings, overcrowded prisons, overrun emergency rooms, overwhelmed schools, non-insured drivers, the identity theft, the overstressed government budgets or the loss of American jobs to non-citizens.

Just a bunch of 'misguided" bigots playing politics.

INDY, once again you are not answering the question.

You're just spilling the rhetoric...

The question is, how does this law change any of that to which you listed?

Think about it and be honest.

[U2387]

Originally Posted by BVS

INDY, once again you are not answering the question.

You're just spilling the rhetoric...

The question is, how does this law change any of that to which you listed?

Think about it and be honest.

This cuts to the heart of the issue right here.

Frankly, I was glad Diamond came in and pointed out that this bill did not allow someone to be pulled over just based on suspicion of being illegal.

There was some confusion on that, and I was glad to back him up and then some, as despite my differences with 1070, I want an honest discussion on the merits of the actual bill. Not what some with an agenda say it includes.

However, no one has answered your question yet.

If the cops could do the same thing before as they can now, what was the reason?

And for good measure, I will add: How to explain that the Republicans always put up a similar measure at the exact same point in every election year?

I don't see this bill solving anything that the federal government is not.

I mean, what new tools and resources for combating illegal immigration have been given to law enforcement or employers or state revenue officers by 1070?

What new funds have been appropriated to combat drug trafficking?

Kidnappings?

Gun running?

All of the issues that Indy mentions are damn legitimate concerns.

However, and I will keep saying it, if we had Comprehensive Bipartisan Immigration reform passed in 2006 or 07, we would NOW have increased border patrol, better targeting of drug cartels, better technology for ICE agents, higher fines on those who hire illegals, sanctions, requirements for back taxes and a boot to the back of the line for illegals who are getting off free now. Also, we would be well on our way to a much harder to forge e verification system for all employers to check the status of applicants or employees.

In other words, if we step back from the rhetoric, we see the level headed approach that the right is calling "amnesty" actually targets the problems Indy mentions much, much better than 1070, which does not do it at all.

Measures can be taken independent of getting a big controversial bill passed to address the crisis in AZ. Napolitano ordered the guard out, what is keeping Brewer? AZ's representatives in Congress can propose federal legislation to fund some specialized law enforcement task forces, you all get the idea.

Action not rhetoric will solve this problem.

I know for sure that the people who only care about this issue in an election year are going for the latter and not the former.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Nothing at all to do with the drug traffic, murders, kidnappings, overcrowded prisons, overrun emergency rooms, overwhelmed schools, non-insured drivers, the identity theft, the overstressed government budgets or the loss of American jobs to non-citizens.

your enemies are not Mexicans, INDY. the people who have put America in it's present state are the GOP and Wall Street.

find some other kids to pick on, not the most defenseless and most vulnerable in our society.

[BVS]

So no ones going to answer my question?

figures