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You're right, I took it a step too far and I apologize.
can't we just get back to sophomoric teabagging jokes?
This isn't a plan, this is a suggetion. Government can't do anything to control or regulate this.
You are just downright laughable at times...
So your plan is to eliminate all other parties. I think there is a word for that...
Ok, but how? You aren't answering this. The question is what plan would those tea partiers want in place of what is going on now? Your answer is "fix it", this is worse than the Republican budget that had no numbers.
Give me a real life example of how you stand up and to who that would fix the situation right now...
Same as above...
None is this has anything to do with the situation at hand and what the tea parties were apparently about...
i know, i know .... you'll get into the whole "but they weren't *real* conservative Republicans," but we know that's garbage in the same way that free market capitalists sound exactly the same as utopian communists who both say, "well, our system would be perfect if it was properly implemented."
bottom line: conservative Republicans in this country have proved themselves to be incompetent. they were booted out of office in 2006 and 2008, and the Republican Party is now the party of white southern christian males. that's not a base upon which to build any sort of future.
That would be SOME libertarians that look to perfect systems. I don't go that far but I do feel that the public sometimes forgets that the market is where most of the production is and if we want programs we will have to be able to pay for them. It's not utopia but what works better. If I get cancer I can't be so selfish as to assume the entire GDP of the country should automatically stop what they are doing and try to cure me because I'm so important. I agree no system is all perfect.
The only problem with this is that I agree that Republicans (and Democrats; are we forgetting already?) were incompetent but electing Democrats everywhere to continue that incompetence is viewed by me and other conservatives as "two wrongs equal a right". The Democrat base is just basically special interest groups that want to compete for command of taxpayer dollars. As long as the public thinks that organizing into 1,000 special interest groups to compete on how they can pass the buck onto someone else we will consume faster than we produce which leads to the current problems we have.
Then you should have stated that people should vote in fiscally responsible canidates no matter what party, instead of saying "conservatives" or "Republicans" because it just weakens your stance. Look around conservatives aren't being that fiscally responsible at all...A ha! Putting words in my mouth. Nice try! Is there a problem with having electoral preferences? Democrats want to defeat Republicans and vice versa. I think my post is very clear that I love democracy. If Democrats want to do the proper fiscal management (as opposed to what they are doing now) I would be for them.
We've talked about this before I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up. Certain limited insurance companies can and do compete across state lines, but the problem is the standards change over state lines; what's defined as podiatry in Texas is different than what is defined as podiatry in Arizona. Plus insurance companies "compete" within state lines and it doesn't help much because honestly most of the insurance companies are in cahoots with each and set the prices collabortively. So none of this is going to work...Instead of spending more on mediaid/medicare how about allowing insurance competition between states? That could save people health costs without increasing taxes.
No, but the point is theory can only go so far, and so far not one person has come up with any real alternative plan. Fox, Hannity, Beck, Rush, Republican politicians none of them have any room to bitch or throw these tea parties unless they honestly have a real alternative.Do I personally have to come up with numbers?
I think you just answered your own question here...There are plenty of people in the Republican party that can do that if they get enough balls. If the public is changing their tune and support this action then the politicians will get more courageous. If the public asks for low taxes and more spending there will be no political strengh to rest on that.
you have such an uninformed view of the "democrat base" and it's so ridiculously biased that it's hard to know where to begin.
Then you should have stated that people should vote in fiscally responsible canidates no matter what party, instead of saying "conservatives" or "Republicans" because it just weakens your stance. Look around conservatives aren't being that fiscally responsible at all...
We've talked about this before I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up. Certain limited insurance companies can and do compete across state lines, but the problem is the standards change over state lines; what's defined as podiatry in Texas is different than what is defined as podiatry in Arizona. Plus insurance companies "compete" within state lines and it doesn't help much because honestly most of the insurance companies are in cahoots with each and set the prices collabortively. So none of this is going to work...
No, but the point is theory can only go so far, and so far not one person has come up with any real alternative plan. Fox, Hannity, Beck, Rush, Republican politicians none of them have any room to bitch or throw these tea parties unless they honestly have a real alternative.
The rest of the post meanders... Some of what you say makes sense the rest is way out in left field(I guess right field in your case), but none of it is an alternative plan. It's long term goals, but the question is for all those partiers is what would they have wanted their canidate to do right now in this paticular climate?
Can someone please answer this!!!
when it comes to actual goods and services, the market is a better judge of quality than the governments are. but it's absolutely utopian to think that the market is better at everything. look at what's just happened. when Ponzi products are traded back and forth -- subprime mortgages just to begin with -- only the government can step in and regulate before the market goes on to ruin lives and the entire economy.
you have such an uninformed view of the "democrat base" and it's so ridiculously biased that it's hard to know where to begin.
Look at Republicans now. What did they do the last 8 years? I'm sorry did they have control of house, senate and white house recently how responsible were they then? Give me a break.No it doesn't. Democrats don't support fiscal responsibility. Look at them now. In actions they don't. Unless I see an about face there is no evidence that Democrats are really doing anything about fiscal responsibility. They are following the Krugman template which is about spending our way out of a recession. Isn't this over spending what got us into the problem in the first place?
The complexity leads to the reasons why so many can't cover multiple states at a time. We've talked about this. There would have to be a complete overhaul of the industry as a whole.Why do we have anti-trust laws then? Just because there is some complexity in standards it doesn't mean that it wouldn't improve competition. It's easier to collaborate with other insurance companies when there are more border restrictions.
You're still missing the point. Some of this is just political garbage. But you're ignoring the issues of the very current problems with AIG, Detroit and the American auto industry, the rising unemployment, etc... Can you try and address these specifically? Otherwise you're just as confused as the tea partiers. In other words what would you have wanted McCain to do within his first 2 months to try and solve this problem?- No cap and trade. Support more nuclear power plants. (Some military are pushing for fusion over fission for a long-term plan 30 years on). Cap and trade or carbon taxes = higher energy costs for all.
- Don't increase health-care coverage. Do the U.S. have to rely on Chinese bondholders for this too?
- Lower corporate taxes. Both the U.S. and Canada are uncompetitive in this area.
- Cut wasteful spending in all departments (including non-essentials in the military). Both McCain and Obama know there is wasteful spending in all areas. Most politicians tolerate it because it's a way to buy votes. Obama basically admited that when he attempted to look at spending on government workers having a "trickle down" effect. Use line-item veto on earmarks like promised.
- Don't shake hands with Chavez (which is quickly undermining Democracy in his own country).
- I don't know what the best timing for this suggestion is but at some point critical areas of Iran's nuclear program will have to be destroyed. If there are critics of this, who cares? See link on Aesop's fables.
- Finish off the Taliban with or without the help of Pakistan (obviously with is better than without). Set a timetable to withdraw in Iraq and Afghanistan in stages (some of this is already in the works). Some Iraq vetrans can move to Afghanistan (Obama is working on this).
- Continue supporting more free trade in South America. Brazil is a bit two-faced on this but with more negotiations it could turn around. If Stephen Harper in Canada can do this so can Obama.
You're still missing the point. Some of this is just political garbage. But you're ignoring the issues of the very current problems with AIG, Detroit and the American auto industry, the rising unemployment, etc... Can you try and address these specifically? Otherwise you're just as confused as the tea partiers. In other words what would you have wanted McCain to do within his first 2 months to try and solve this problem?
It will be interesting to see what history says about them, my guess is history will call them a joke, but we'll see...
How can you say that when you just laid out an imaginary plan that went against what they are apparently protesting? You baffle me...I feel many of the tea partiers are right without actually knowing why.
It's true that many conservatives aren't taking the leadership plunge just yet because they want Obama to do the screw ups and then they can criticize afterwards.
How can you say that when you just laid out an imaginary plan that went against what they are apparently protesting? You baffle me...
Well I think they are hoping Obama screws up so they can criticize later...
This is exaclty why this whole thing is a joke. Conservatives aren't stepping up because right now, all they have is theory, and it's a theory that would probably fail in this current environment and I think many secretly know this. There is no one in their right mind that would just sit back in this current environment and allow the market to just heal itself, even your plan acknowledges that... That's why these tea parties weren't really about spending or bail outs, they were a conservative bitch fest. Nothing more, nothing less...
By William M. Welch, USA TODAY
LOS ANGELES — Voters in California on Tuesday slapped down a slew of tax hikes and borrowing measures that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said were needed to solve the state's fiscal dilemma.
Four out of five measures dealing with higher taxes had failed by nearly 2-to-1, and the fifth was trailing badly. The only measure to pass was one that banned pay raises for elected officials in deficit years.
Among those going to the polls was Kerrie Von Korper, a grocery worker said she voted "no on everything. "We all have to live within our means, and that includes the state," she said.
"No more taxes," Karen McCune, a retiree from Long Beach, said as she exited her polling place.
President Obama, the chuckleheads at MSNBC, and Colin Powell Republicans -- go ahead, keep mocking.
President Obama, the chuckleheads at MSNBC, and Colin Powell Republicans -- go ahead, keep mocking.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mahatma Gandhi
President Obama, the chuckleheads at MSNBC, and Colin Powell Republicans -- go ahead, keep mocking.
Has almost nothing to do with the tea parties though...
Like I asked the tea partiers early, and which none were able to answer...
What is the non-Colin Powell Republican plan for this state? How is a bankrupt state going to pay for a decent fire fighting team when the next big wild fire strikes? Just let the homes heal themselves? It's one thing to stand up against taxes, but where is the Republican plan? You probably wouldn't be mocked as much if you all actually had an alternative, but you don't...
It's a great platitude, it's too bad no one ever comes up with specifics as to where to cut...1) STOP SPENDING SO MUCH. To quote a famous ex-California governor, “It's time we reduced the government's budget and left the family budget alone.”
How many businesses have migrated out of California in the last year? Do you have numbers, or is this speculation?2) STOP driving businesses and "the rich" out of your state with steeply progressive taxes. It's not good for your tax base, although Oregon and Nevada thank you.
Would you rather have the state pay for the gathering up and deportation of the brownies?3) STOP expecting your citizens to pay for healthcare, education and other services for illegal residents.
Apparently outrageous? Well are they or aren't they? Should we just get rid of pensions altogether?4) Your public-employee pensions are apparently outrageously lavish. Maybe fix that.
Yeah, I'm a conservative, I don't need science. I don't care what the planet will be like in 100 years I won't be here. Who needs to see the mountain tops in LA anyway? Let's use up what we got, we'll come up with an alternative when we run out. Screw those sandal wearing, long hair, earth loving, love your enemy, non money seeking hippies!!! Why can't they be more like supply side/ NRA Jesus...5) STOP being envirowienies and start collecting oil revenues by allowing offshore drilling.
President Obama, the chuckleheads at MSNBC, and Colin Powell Republicans -- go ahead, keep mocking.
I responded to your previous post in the bold lettering...
1) STOP SPENDING SO MUCH. To quote a famous ex-California governor, “It's time we reduced the government's budget and left the family budget alone.”
and what is your alternative to investing money in the economy by government spending... ?? and dont say "tax cuts" because those will not work in the economy we are in right now. Most economist agree that the stimulus package was the best thing we could have done
2) STOP driving businesses and "the rich" out of your state with steeply progressive taxes. It's not good for your tax base, although Oregon and Nevada thank you.
I dont know if you are aware but we have had a progressive tax code throughout almost all of american history. Reagan's taxes for the wealthy were much higher than Obama's...but no one calls him socialist? not only that...but a progressive tax code works. Here is why: http://www.u2interference.com/forums/f199/interesting-e-mail-that-was-sent-to-me-197697.html
Cut off all services. California residents voted to do this but... and stop me if you've heard this one before, the California courts overturned the will of the people. You can't have open borders and a welfare state. California proves this as illegal immigration costs CA taxpayers an estimated 10.5 billion a year. That's half the deficit right there.Parts of congress and Obama actually have some good ideas for helping to minimize the amound of illegal residents in this country...but still in what way would we be able to do what you are proposing?
90% pay after 30 years of service seems a little generous to me, but would be a matter between the state and its employees except for the fact that it's billions in the red already. So it isn't working.4) Your public-employee pensions are apparently outrageously lavish. Maybe fix that.
There are way more important issues than this
There's a great song by The Mamas And the Papas called 'California Dreaming.'5) STOP being envirowienies and start collecting oil revenues by allowing offshore drilling.
Ok...offshore drilling does not even pale in comparison to the amount of money we could make off of investing in new technologies, the new "energy-cores" (which I doubt you know about), and other programs to help reduce energy- obama made a great step the other day with the car regulations
6) STOP electing muscleheads that can't even pronounce the name of your state as governor and start electing drop-dead gorgeous beauty queens with solid traditional values.
WHAT!?! Beauty queens with traditional values? What is traditional values? its a made up term to describe something that the right-wing wants. Traditional values are not found in the bible, and being against gay marriage is unfathomable in my mind...but ok...
That's where I'd start anyway.
all i can say is thank god we have obama now instead of the guy in your avatar.