Anti-Tax Tea Parties Held Across U.S.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by financeguy

Fine. Show me your posts critiquing corporate welfare, bank bailouts, tax evasion by the wealthy, and fraudulent wars. My record of drawing attention to these matters stands for itself. Where's yours?

Because I don't make it a priority to post everyday about those things means I support them? Trust me, I oppose all four of the things you just mentioned. You're acting like I'm not angry. I am. My anger, however, is much more directed at reckless government that it is at Wall Street. That's where the Tea Party and OWS differ.

Again, I'd love to see your train of thought that led you from my criticism both of OWS and of the incredibly wealthy people on the left who support it to meaning that I'm a neo-con who wants a country such as the one you described in your earlier post.

[PhilsFan]

Why are you more angry with the government than with Wall Street?

[anitram]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

You're acting like I'm not angry. I am. My anger, however, is much more directed at reckless government that it is at Wall Street.

Who's the boss?

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

Why are you more angry with the government than with Wall Street?

Are you suggesting Wall Street isn't every middle class American's best friend?

[PhilsFan]

I sincerely want to know. I figure it's a much more beneficial discussion talking about that than about whose protestors are more crazy.

[yolland]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

reckless government ... Wall Street

Not much daylight between the two. If you've been cheated out of much of your savings by someone, you don't just need to trim your budget to start rebuilding your reserves, you also need to stop the plundering so you don't lose whatever you have left. Like anitram said, who's the boss here?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

My anger, however, is much more directed at reckless government that it is at Wall Street. That's where the Tea Party and OWS differ.

Everyone should read this. It speaks volumes!!! It speaks to how uninformed the tea party is overall. It speaks to how you've all been rooked into doing the top 1% dirty work.

I hope statements like this start to open more eyes.

[PhilsFan]

God damn it.

[Inner El Guapo]

While plutarchy is a neat term, this one is more accurate when describing what the U.S. has become...

Corporatocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Inner El Guapo]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

My anger, however, is much more directed at reckless government that it is at Wall Street. That's where the Tea Party and OWS differ.

And that's why the Tea Party and the OWS are largely a bunch of fucking fools. The Govt is reckless precisely because it -more or less- has no principle other than to serve special corporate interests. All sides.

Direct your anger at Democrats and Republicans and even those who ape the party line, no matter how 'independent' or non-partisan they really believe they are. And sure, there are plenty of so-called enlightened Leftists in this very forum who do it all the time. This is the problem. The Tea Party being sucked into the corporate Republican monster means it is no better than any other arm of Republican bullshit. And bending over backwards to defend the idiocy of Obama and the Dems is the same sort of thing.


Why else would we cut revenues and spend more all at the same time?
That's lunacy brought about by a tax religion brought about by corporate lobbyist interests and the ignorance that buys into the religion itself.

The spending lunacy is also part of the same problem, Democrats love bureaucracy and they love their pet programs. Because they took money to install them, and care about re-election just as much as Republicans love to get re-elected using money from members of the Tax Religion.

Steps to solutions:
Begins with 1) Term limits
and the next logical step is 2) Banning Lobbyists from Congress.
That's the only place it can start. Trust me.

After that happens, we can worry about having more viable political parties.

And nothing happens without a more educated public on the subject of self-interested PARTISAN BULLSHIT. But that goes without saying. And it's also futile...evidenced clearly by the Tea Party and OWS...they can't help but be sucked in by the partisan monster...because the constituents are partisan themselves. Partisan towards two Parties that are inherently corrupted by the influence of corporate money.

This isn't 'conspiracy theory'. It's transparent and true.

Term limits will lower the partisan rhetoric and introduce more principle and sanity into the mix. It's not going to fix everything but it has to happen. We have to get the focus on fixing real problems rather than a focus towards ambition for re-election. It's the only place to begin.

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by Inner El Guapo

Steps to solutions:
Begins with 1) Term limits
and the next logical step is 2) Banning Lobbyists from Congress.
That's the only place it can start. Trust me.

I completely agree with you. But the problem is, Congress will not set term limits for themselves. It will take a very humble person in position of power to do that, and that's a rare human being.

If there were any protests I would get involved in, it will be to demand politicians to set term limits for themselves. And also for Presidents and other office holders to have only one, six-year term.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by Inner El Guapo

Steps to solutions:
Begins with 1) Term limits
and the next logical step is 2) Banning Lobbyists from Congress.
That's the only place it can start. Trust me.

I agree on both. Always have. How about that, finguy?

Originally Posted by Pearl

I completely agree with you. But the problem is, Congress will not set term limits for themselves. It will take a very humble person in position of power to do that, and that's a rare human being.

They exist. While there are certainly people on both sides who object, the blame is not equal. There are infinitely more calls for term limits coming from the right than from the left.

Term Limits Congress | DeMint Constitutional Amendment | The Daily Caller

Thursday South Carolina Republican Jim DeMint introduced an amendment to the Constitution that would apply term limits to members of Congress. Ten Republican Senators joined DeMint in his call to limit U.S. Representatives to three terms and U.S. Senators to two terms in office. Co-sponsors to S.J. Res. 11 included New Hampshire Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte, Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn, Nevada Republican Sen. John Ensign, Texas Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson, Utah Republican Sen. Mike Lee, Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul, Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey, and Louisiana Republican Sen. David Vitter.

[INDY500]

The bigger government gets; the more money they spend, the more bills they pass, the more they regulate, the more things they tax, the more they mandate.

The more lobbying firms open up in Washington D.C.

You'd think folks wouldna noticed that by now.

[PhilsFan]

Please. Lobbying is not caused by big government, it's caused by big business. That's totally ridiculous.

[Earnie Shavers]

The cost of your elections is a big one too. $1b for President. That's a lot of influence and/or favours.

I also agree that a single Presidential term would be better. Longer than six years, but as it is at the moment, a President really only has about, if they're lucky, 5 of the 8 years for 'gettin' shit done' anyway. Obama has been wholly switched to re-election for some time now. It's virtually the same as lame duck.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by INDY500

The bigger government gets; the more money they spend, the more bills they pass, the more they regulate, the more things they tax, the more they mandate.

The more lobbying firms open up in Washington D.C.

You'd think folks wouldna noticed that by now.

I always find it baffling how some people are convinced that, left to their own devices, most corporations would police themselves accordingly and keep middle-class America's best interests in mind. Especially considering the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[Irvine511]

it seems logical that corporations seek to increase their profit. yes, many people can and do benefit when corporations do well. and accruing political power is a great way to create rules that will help you increase your profit. hence, that's why they do it.

and that's why there's a need for regulation. i don't see what's so fascist about that.

balance.

[Inner El Guapo]

Originally Posted by INDY500

The bigger government gets; the more money they spend, the more bills they pass, the more they regulate, the more things they tax, the more they mandate.

The more lobbying firms open up in Washington D.C.

You'd think folks wouldna noticed that by now.

Are you okay with fewer lobbying firms still being able to effectively 'buy' Congressional votes? Just as long as it's not 'a lot' of them?

Lobbying firms also work to keep the status quo.

Insurance lobbies, tobacco lobby, oil and gas lobby, pharmaceutical lobbies, etc. For a specific example, there is no amount of Government expansion that affects the NRA's influence over the Republican party. They continue to fund re-election campaigns with unstated 'promises' to keep Republicans voting against gun control, whether there is any regulation proposed OR NOT.

But the real problem isn't simply that they exist or continue to open up.
It's that they manage to hold dramatic undue influence over lawmakers.

In other words, the problem is that they are so incredibly effective in the first place. Smaller Government doesn't make them less effective. It arguably makes it less pervasive, but it still leaves open the door to legally 'buy' congressional votes. And that's the real problem, period. Keep your eye on the ball, stop trying to twist it into a partisan argument.

[INDY500]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMDtp-bII9Y

And to combat this:

Over 1000 days since the Democrat controlled Senate passed a budget.

Last years budget submitted by our president was voted down 0-97 in the Senate

And the president's 2013 budget with new taxes on the rich? By 2022 the debt balloons to $25 trillion with interest payments alone at $20 billion a week. Our debt/GDP ratio surpasses Greece's current ratio.

House passed budgets and entitlement reforms set idle in the Senate. The president fund raises and campaigns.

The Tea Party stirs.

[Mrs. Garrison]

fuck the tea party.