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Old 07-16-2010, 03:45 PM   #381
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Mrs Charen could also have pointed out that at that same NAACP meeting current chairman Ben Jealous asserted, "And in the middle of this great American nightmare, here comes the genetic descendent of the White Citizens' Council, burst from its coffin, carrying signs with slogans like "lynch Barack Hussein Obama" and "lynch Eric Holder."

Pretty serious charges... and naturally no evidence of it actually happening exists either.

One could also point out how they opposed the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court and threatened to suspend local NAACP officers that didn't rescind their earlier endorsements.

That long time chairman Julian Bond said here in Indiana in 2004 speech, "Their [Republicans] idea of equal rights is the American flag and Confederate swastika flying side by side." Nice.

And that you won't find condemnation from the NAACP for the hate espoused by the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright or the Black Panthers. New or old.
There's definitely room for legitimate criticism of the NAACP, and it is true that among much of the black political leadership there is the mistaken, I believe, equation of black with Democratic party. But just because the organization is wrong on other points doesn't mean that they're wrong on all points. I've already said I think it was a mistake for the NAACP to make this proclamation any way. But it doesn't mean that I think there are no merits to their concerns.

What do YOU make of Mark William's letter? He's not just some fringe sign waver, right?
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Yes, like when presidential candidate Biden said Obama was "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

Or when the Senate majority leader said that Obama was successful in part due to his "light-skinned appearance, with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

That kind of black.
I think that hidden in some bill, that pure racism was given a pass. Some panel decides I think.

The biggest mockery of the civil rights movment was before the Healthcare bill, when Nancy with her gavel. head thrown back in mocekery, walking across the street ala MLK, who wasn't laughing, he was scared out of his mind.

You know, when John Lewis was spit on, but wasn't really spit on.. it was the other guy who wasn't really spit on. They had 4 aides, standing right behind them the whole time, each holding 2 cell phones,(so that's 8 cameras,) 3 feet away video recording the whole thing. why wasn't it used? Because it didn't happen?


I think some of these people dont have a clue who the Tea party people are. There are actually quite a large group of Black Americans ( they prefer to be called that ) and at the healthcare rally, we all were fed by the black family reunion, who invited everyone over to eat , talk and sing. They didnt feel threatened, nor did anyone else. any talk of racisim came from the side trying to use it... in vain. It was the progressives using the card, not Tea Party. They care about one thing. Taxes and spending, part of which is special interets, lobbyist, running the show. That's it. Nothing else.
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There's definitely room for legitimate criticism of the NAACP, and it is true that among much of the black political leadership there is the mistaken, I believe, equation of black with Democratic party. But just because the organization is wrong on other points doesn't mean that they're wrong on all points. I've already said I think it was a mistake for the NAACP to make this proclamation any way. But it doesn't mean that I think there are no merits to their concerns.

What do YOU make of Mark William's letter? He's not just some fringe sign waver, right?
Chris Smithermen of the Cincinnati NAACP is the biggest racist in this country. So is the Rev Lynch. read what they are so found of saying, and why their membership is down to nothing.
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Chris Smithermen of the Cincinnati NAACP is the biggest racist in this country. So is the Rev Lynch. read what they are so found of saying, and why their membership is down to nothing.
But see I wasn't asking about Chris Smithermen. I was asking about Mark Williams.
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I think that hidden in some bill, that pure racism was given a pass. Some panel decides I think.

The biggest mockery of the civil rights movment was before the Healthcare bill, when Nancy with her gavel. head thrown back in mocekery, walking across the street ala MLK, who wasn't laughing, he was scared out of his mind.

You know, when John Lewis was spit on, but wasn't really spit on.. it was the other guy who wasn't really spit on. They had 4 aides, standing right behind them the whole time, each holding 2 cell phones,(so that's 8 cameras,) 3 feet away video recording the whole thing. why wasn't it used? Because it didn't happen?


I think some of these people dont have a clue who the Tea party people are. There are actually quite a large group of Black Americans ( they prefer to be called that ) and at the healthcare rally, we all were fed by the black family reunion, who invited everyone over to eat , talk and sing. They didnt feel threatened, nor did anyone else. any talk of racisim came from the side trying to use it... in vain. It was the progressives using the card, not Tea Party. They care about one thing. Taxes and spending, part of which is special interets, lobbyist, running the show. That's it. Nothing else.
Can you explain the Nancy Pelosi thing again? I don't understand what happened there.

I find it hard to understand how large numbers of Black Americans can feel comfortable in the Tea Party environment, but that's up to them. Despite the suggestions, most blacks do not defer to "thought police" and there's no requirement that all blacks fall into some party line. I can speak from my own experience growing up having mostly white friends, some of whom were racist. I was a kid of course, still figuring out who I was, so perhaps it wasn't so odd that I had a confederate flag in my room and wrote slogans like "Yankee by Birth, Rebel by Choice" in my journal. I wanted to fit in. I wanted to believe I wasn't "really" black, that the jokes from my church youth leader about running over a black guy on the side of the road weren't about me. I can tell you that deep down I wished I wasn't black, felt I was ugly. But that was my experience, as a kid. I can't say with any certaintity what is motivating these adult Black Americans, but it's hard not to infer from my own experience that there may be some self-hatred going on there.

The last bit about progressives caring about one thing: "taxes and spending." Utter nonsense. It's like liberals saying all conservatives care about it is "hate and war." Such an oversimplification of your opponent, such demonizing is just useless.
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And that you won't find condemnation from the NAACP for the hate espoused by the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright or the Black Panthers. New or old.
I don't understand why people keep bringing this up. It's a completely nonsensical attempt at equating apples and oranges.

Are the Black Panthers an arm of the NAACP? Does Jeremiah Wright hold an official position with the NAACP and speak on its behalf on CNN, Fox, et al?
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I don't understand why people keep bringing this up. It's a completely nonsensical attempt at equating apples and oranges.

racism is obviously worse when it's against white people.

it's also better for ratings.
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But see I wasn't asking about Chris Smithermen. I was asking about Mark Williams.
same people really. They are both racist.

Tea Party does not put up with that crap. Mr Williams can take a walk.

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Can you explain the Nancy Pelosi thing again? I don't understand what happened there.

I find it hard to understand how large numbers of Black Americans can feel comfortable in the Tea Party environment, but that's up to them. Despite the suggestions, most blacks do not defer to "thought police" and there's no requirement that all blacks fall into some party line. I can speak from my own experience growing up having mostly white friends, some of whom were racist. I was a kid of course, still figuring out who I was, so perhaps it wasn't so odd that I had a confederate flag in my room and wrote slogans like "Yankee by Birth, Rebel by Choice" in my journal. I wanted to fit in. I wanted to believe I wasn't "really" black, that the jokes from my church youth leader about running over a black guy on the side of the road weren't about me. I can tell you that deep down I wished I wasn't black, felt I was ugly. But that was my experience, as a kid. I can't say with any certaintity what is motivating these adult Black Americans, but it's hard not to infer from my own experience that there may be some self-hatred going on there.

The last bit about progressives caring about one thing: "taxes and spending." Utter nonsense. It's like liberals saying all conservatives care about it is "hate and war." Such an oversimplification of your opponent, such demonizing is just useless.

Every white person is not racists. You chose your way to deal with it. Nobody made you and you had a choice. "Rebel by Choice" in my journal. I wanted to fit in." You had a choice.

You want to see reverse racism, go watch smithermen speak. He hates everyone if they are not black and militant.
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Every white person is not racists. You chose your way to deal with it. Nobody made you and you had a choice.
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racism is obviously worse when it's against white people.

it's also better for ratings.

Is it excused when used for a poltical purpose? No matter who ssaid it?

No, in my opinion.
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Tea Party does not put up with that crap.
The Tea Party only puts up with more subtle, sophisticated racism?
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The Tea Party only puts up with more subtle, sophisticated racism?

Nope. Unless you have ever been to one, you'll have that in your mind I guess. The Tea Party is not even an org. There are many, many "Tea Party" groups of all races, creeds etc. Never saw one yet that had hatred or racism.

There will always be some that try, but they have a very effective means of policing these people, and making sure they dissapear, or if appropriate, arrested. Or asked to leave nicely once. They have a film log of everyone at every event thatis borderline in any way. It has been very effective.

No arrests yet, which is in itself amazing.

PS Williams was ejected from any form of the Tea Party today for his words. He is gone. From Tea Party anyway.
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Or Lynrd Skynrd for that matter. Some how both seem to get a pass. I don't know why. But even I'm not incensed about those examples and I have no good explanation for that.





I knew it was spelled wrong but I was too lazy to correct it. I've been kind of ruined by spell check and they don't have it on hear.

Whatever happened to Benji anyway? He disappeared as suddenly as he arrived.
you have to go to school for about 14 years. Doesnt help I am always using a different keyboard. Never the same size laptop. But we get a pass, that is why we dictate, rather than write. They say it is much worse.

I am actually in costa Rica. We are going to the Robert Mueller school of howling tommorow. The co-founder of Gloabal warming, or climate crisis, or whatever it is called these days.

should be fun. I will be in Paris on the 25th, for the LAF party. Bono is suppose to be there. That will be fun.It always is a wild party.
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Yeah. They should totally be okay with racist elements in the tea party movement, right?
shpuld people be ok with racist elements in the NAACP ? Most are not, but some are very extreme.
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racism is obviously worse when it's against white people.

it's also better for ratings.

Also seems to work wonders when it comes to putting an increasingly inconsequential "civil rights" organization and their new "I see racist people" chairman back in the news and on the front page for a day.

Scary fundraising letters soon to follow.
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Every white person is not racists. You chose your way to deal with it. Nobody made you and you had a choice. "Rebel by Choice" in my journal. I wanted to fit in." You had a choice.

You want to see reverse racism, go watch smithermen speak. He hates everyone if they are not black and militant.
I know that not every white person is a racist. My wife is white. So are several members of my immediate family.

Well, actually, I do think racism is part of the human condition so I think everyone has a bit of racism to one degree or another. Both my wife and I struggled with racist thinking while living and working overseas--not towards black or whites-but towards some of the ethnic groups we worked with out there. Ironically, it became easier to fall into racist thinking patterns the longer we lived there because the more we mistakenly thought we "knew" how these other cultures "worked." You know the kind of: "Oh, Ethnic Group X are lazy and just want government jobs where they sit on their ass and do nothing" thinking. Or "Ethnic Group Y is so pushy; they're all complainers." You learn just enough to think you have the other group "figured out."

If you read my post carefully, you'll note that I was in no way blaming the people around me for my desire to "fit in." What I was doing was explaining the speculation I'm tempted to make about the motivations of the Black Americans involved in the Tea Party.
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Also seems to work wonders when it comes to putting an increasingly inconsequential "civil rights" organization and their new "I see racist people" chairman back in the news and on the front page for a day.


that's kind of their job, isn't it? to point out racism and tell people to stop? that's what they've been doing for a long time.

you're free to tell the NAACP that they're not needed anymore because no one is ever racist (except against white people), but i'm not sure you're in much of a position to tell them how to do their job.
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PS Williams was ejected from any form of the Tea Party today for his words. He is gone. From Tea Party anyway.
Where is this source?
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Is it excused when used for a poltical purpose? No matter who ssaid it?

No, in my opinion.
Then why are YOU excusing it?
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