Another Malaysian Airline Disaster?

[Vlad n U 2]

The Ukrainian Prosecutor General now admits that the rebels DO NOT have the necessary missile systems (Buk or S-300) in operation to shoot down the plane.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Axver

Given it was the European air traffic control who declared the flight path safe, can we really blame Malaysian Airlines for using it?

At the end of the day we can just keep making a chain-of-fault.

It was MAs fault because they didn't use caution. It was ATCs fault for allowing such air space to be flown through. Administration's fault for giving the zone clearance for ATC. Then we can start picking at individuals.

Honestly it all leads back to one bit... despite who did right and who could've done better, there's currently some group of fuckheads out there, may they be Russisn, Ukranian, or some form of rebel or terrorist group. They did it. They are responsible. This isn't 370, this isn't just a tragedy. This is also an act of savagery. Some accountability might be placed on some people here and there, but I think it's so wrong at this point to really try and point fingers at a time when everyone should be focused on the real enemy.

[cobl04]

One thing I always notice about myself when these things happen is that I consume, consume, consume. I've been tuned into our 24-hr news channel all day, even though much of it has been very repetitious.

[Vlad n U 2]

Whoever did it, there's only going to be one outcome. Russia will be blamed, Russia will get sanctions, having blame placed on Russia (regardless of whether they did or didn't) will be a positive for both the Ukrainian government and the other powers that be. I sincerely doubt that Poroshenko will receive any sort of blame, he is almost guaranteed to get what he wants.

The 'official' conclusion is already obvious.

[GirlsAloudFan]

Where the fuck is coolian?

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

The Ukrainian Prosecutor General now admits that the rebels DO NOT have the necessary missile systems (Buk or S-300) in operation to shoot down the plane.

Officially no, but there has been a Russian report from June 29 that the rebels stole a BUK1 system from Ukrainian forces.... then again that could've been a cover up for the Russians supplying it. There's really no telling..

I should probably try to avoid the news but I can't help but looking. Even though we know pretty much nearly for certain our coworker was on that plane, still no official names list.

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

Officially no, but there has been a Russian report from June 29 that the rebels stole a BUK1 system from Ukrainian forces.... then again that could've been a cover up for the Russians supplying it. There's really no telling..

Yeah, that's why I felt a bit confused with that admission. And yeah, as mentioned earlier, the rebels have said that the BUK (I feel so weird having to type that because of the user) system they had in their possession was non operational and that it had to be repaired. I'm not surprised if it turned out the rebels managed to steal it, they've managed to steal numerous vehicles from the army, and Ukraine has about 21 BUK systems of their own.

[JJAsi]

Twitter / dnrpress: Самоходные ...

from google cache, original been deleted yesterday

[JJAsi]

also this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU5NSSzYygk

[Axver]

Tony Abbott's kneejerk reaction is making the Australian government look rash and moronic right now, levelling very severe claims against Russia and Putin in particular before any solid evidence has been disclosed. While I think Russian rebels mistaking MH17 for a Ukrainian military plane seems to be the most plausible current theory, suggesting this is somehow Putin's direct fault at this early stage is not what a Prime Minister should be doing. If his claims are borne out, he still looks rash, tactless, and undiplomatic, using the incident for pointscoring and sabre-rattling, If his claims aren't, well, there'll be a diplomatic incident.

Of course, the Abbott administration is very good at pissing off other governments - just ask China and Indonesia - so this behaviour doesn't surprise me.

[Vlad n U 2]

Here's a link to the prosecutor's general claim that the rebels did not have BUK.

Originally Posted by Axver

Tony Abbott's kneejerk reaction is making the Australian government look rash and moronic right now, levelling very severe claims against Russia and Putin in particular before any solid evidence has been disclosed. While I think Russian rebels mistaking MH17 for a Ukrainian military plane seems to be the most plausible current theory, suggesting this is somehow Putin's direct fault at this early stage is not what a Prime Minister should be doing. If his claims are borne out, he still looks rash, tactless, and undiplomatic, using the incident for pointscoring and sabre-rattling, If his claims aren't, well, there'll be a diplomatic incident.

Of course, the Abbott administration is very good at pissing off other governments - just ask China and Indonesia - so this behaviour doesn't surprise me.

He has absolutely no idea, he tries to speak with the authority that a larger Western power would do so with, but he comes off as clumsy and pathetic. Not even Obama had gone as far as to immediately condemn Russia as he normally would.

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by JJAsi

Twitter / dnrpress: Самоходные ...

from google cache, original been deleted yesterday

What's in there? I can't read Russian.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-crashed-plane

damn..

[Vlad n U 2]

All it says is that 'BUK complex has been taken under control by DNR.'

[JJAsi]

yeh, also isnt or now wasnt Malesia one of top Trading partners in Asia for Russia ?

[Axver]

Top headline on one of the main TV networks in Melbourne: "Flight scheduled to connect with doomed MH17 about to land in Melbourne tonight."

Really? Really?! There is so much to report here, and an almost irrelevant detail gets top billing? Good god the lengths some media outlets go to seize on every local link to a disaster can be nauseating.

[Vlad n U 2]

I think one of the 'intercepted recordings' of the rebels talking smells like a fake, at the very least there's reason to be suspicious.



In reference to what the Ukrainian Prosecutor General said earlier, it turns out that the BUK system that had been taken (the army had left it behind) by the rebels in late June was broken, I assume it implies that they couldn't have used it to shoot the plane down.

[BoMac]

MH17 had flown over that general route daily, except usually it is about 200 miles or so from where it was Thursday. According to reports, the pilots deviated from the normal flight path to fly a little more northeastern than usual because of thunderstorms. This is such a random act of savagery that I can't quite comprehend.

[BoMac]

Also, an Australian woman lost a brother on MH370 and now lost her stepdaughter on MH17.

Unbelievable. Incomprehensible.


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[Vlad n U 2]

Father of someone who saw how the plane got struck (don't know what's up with the embed here).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=rPcbFJSGk7E

Narrator: Who shot it down? Today it was shot down, on [July] 17th.
Narrator: The village of Grabovo. How was it? What did you son tell you?
Father of Eyewitness: Well, they were sitting there, on a hill. And, from behind the clouds … two airplanes were flying … one of the came out from behind the clouds.
Narrator: Military planes emerged?
Father of Eyewitness: Well, he does not understand. Then, with one shot, they shot down the second. And that’s it. The second plane, he says – with one shot. There was one shot and that’s it.
Narrator: And the one that was shot down was the civilian one? …
Father of Eyewitness: And two … one fell down, he says, and the second too … I did not bring my phone here, so I can’t call him.
[in the background] Ah, he saw a jet fighter … Of course …
Narrator: The village of Grabovo, in the Shakhtersk district. One the approaches to Grabovo, it fell. Keep looking for remains. Everything is burning. Aluminum has melted. All the casing.

Originally Posted by BoMac

Also, an Australian woman lost a brother on MH370 and now lost her stepdaughter on MH17.

Unbelievable. Incomprehensible.


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[JJAsi]

2 missiles gone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4HJ...ature=youtu.be

and Ukranien jets were escorting that flight earlier for a while and didnt go near Russian border