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Old 04-21-2013, 10:43 PM   #21
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It seems the lack of interest in this applies here just as it does to
the media.

The jury is now deliberating a verdict.
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What should we be interested in? Inform us.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:01 PM   #24
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It seems the lack of interest in this applies here just as it does to
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The jury is now deliberating a verdict.
Honestly, what kind of discussion would you like? Rarely is there much discussion on something nobody will disagree with. We all think it's horrible
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I think the problem is that conservatives are frothing at the mouth because they think this is about abortion, and they think they have found the example that will give absolution to their cause. And then on top of that, they love to play victim, so this is a win win for them.

Problem is: this is not about abortion, and you all are not victims.
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Old 05-01-2013, 03:11 AM   #27
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It seems the lack of interest in this applies here just as it does to
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The jury is now deliberating a verdict.
Holy fucking shit you are an asshole. THIS WAS A NATIONAL NEWS STORY ABOUT MY CITY TWO YEARS AGO. If you want it to happen now it's your fault for waiting until now.
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Holy fucking shit you are an asshole.
Waaaay out of line.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:30 PM   #29
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Holy fucking shit you are an asshole. THIS WAS A NATIONAL NEWS STORY ABOUT MY CITY TWO YEARS AGO. If you want it to happen now it's your fault for waiting until now.
A story two years ago?

Well the discovery at trial is happening now. Will the same standard of journalism, for example, be applied to the Trayvon Martin case when it goes before a jury two years after the fact? Of course not.

I actually posted something back when the story broke and I don't remember much reaction from anybody.

Everyone knows why the media had to be shamed into coverage just as everyone knows that if this monster had used a gun instead of chemicals and scissors to kill all these children this trial would have been front page news from day one. And Obama would be flying around campaigning for this law and that law... "If we can save just one child... we have to do this."

Instead of lashing out at Ironhorse for pointing out the obvious bias in journalism why don't you, as a graduate, go out and improve what has become a sad, pathetic profession. Please!! The country sorely need an honest press that will strive to search for the truth.
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So 'the press' all got together and decided not to cover this. Some great big secret meeting between CNN, Fox News, MSNBC...

What truth should they be striving for in this case? Or was that just a phrase that you drooled out your mouth because it sounded good?
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A story two years ago?

Well the discovery at trial is happening now. Will the same standard of journalism, for example, be applied to the Trayvon Martin case when it goes before a jury two years after the fact? Of course not.

I actually posted something back when the story broke and I don't remember much reaction from anybody.

Everyone knows why the media had to be shamed into coverage just as everyone knows that if this monster had used a gun instead of chemicals and scissors to kill all these children this trial would have been front page news from day one. And Obama would be flying around campaigning for this law and that law... "If we can save just one child... we have to do this."

Instead of lashing out at Ironhorse for pointing out the obvious bias in journalism why don't you, as a graduate, go out and improve what has become a sad, pathetic profession. Please!! The country sorely need an honest press that will strive to search for the truth.

Why do you think this story is of such heart stopping importance?

Please avoid phrase like "everyone knows" and "Obama would ..."

Those are too Eastwood.

And lots of people start threads that they think are important but receive little attention, particularly these days.
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There have been comments about why this case has received little coverage. Abortion is one reason, because it is a tricky subject to report on. Also, race and class are an issue. To report on this, the media will have to get serious and not have those absurd panel discussions, which is not really journalism.
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A story two years ago?

Well the discovery at trial is happening now. Will the same standard of journalism, for example, be applied to the Trayvon Martin case when it goes before a jury two years after the fact? Of course not.

I actually posted something back when the story broke and I don't remember much reaction from anybody.

Everyone knows why the media had to be shamed into coverage just as everyone knows that if this monster had used a gun instead of chemicals and scissors to kill all these children this trial would have been front page news from day one. And Obama would be flying around campaigning for this law and that law... "If we can save just one child... we have to do this."

Instead of lashing out at Ironhorse for pointing out the obvious bias in journalism why don't you, as a graduate, go out and improve what has become a sad, pathetic profession. Please!! The country sorely need an honest press that will strive to search for the truth.
I don't graduate college for another 21 hours.
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A story two years ago?

Well the discovery at trial is happening now. Will the same standard of journalism, for example, be applied to the Trayvon Martin case when it goes before a jury two years after the fact? Of course not.

I actually posted something back when the story broke and I don't remember much reaction from anybody.
I dunno, I watched several days of the Casey Anthony trial and that was 3 years after the fact...

I think the trial/case is getting attention, just not much discussion. No one will defend that man; everyone thinks he's a monster. What else is there to discuss?
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I don't graduate college for another 21 hours.
A most sincere congratulations.
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Why do you think this story is of such heart stopping importance?

I don’t doubt the repulsion of all here with this crime. I’m not debating with you; I’ll just honestly answer your question.

I do not see this as an isolated crime. I see this as a symptom of a sick, sick culture and some people, for whatever reason, would rather avert their attention than face that fact in my opinion.

This story from March was a huge story with “conservative” media but I’ll introduce it to FYM right now (with video):

Planned Parenthood Official Endorses Right to Kill Babies Born Alive - Leah Barkoukis

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"So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief," said Rep. Jim Boyd. "If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”
"We believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician," said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow.
Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, "What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”
"I do not have that information," Snow replied. "I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”
Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, "You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”
Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.”
“I think that at that point the patient would be the child struggling on the table, wouldn’t you agree?” asked Oliva.
"That’s a very good question. I really don’t know how to answer that," Snow said. "I would be glad to have some more conversations with you about this.”

One of the representatives follows up saying, “what objection can you possibly have to obligate a doctor to transport a child alive to a hospital?”
“What about those situations …where it’s in a rural healthcare setting where the hospital is 45 minutes to an hour away?” Snow countered. “There are just some logistical issues involved that we’ve got concerns about.”
How does any caring human being not answer “we take every step to keep that baby alive"?

Apparently this spokesperson for Planned Parenthood cannot put her humanity above her ideology which renders incapable of answering with anything other than her pat pro-choice mantras and bromides. The sickness (moral entropy if you will) in our society is the ability of so many to completely block out what physiologically is taking place inside the womb of a female to the point of being able to morally justify 800,000 to 1,000,000 abortions occurring in this country each year (95% for no reason other than birth control) or that infanticide is somehow permissible if agreed upon by “the woman and her physician." As if that child has no individual rights or society can't judge such actions.

There are more very recent videos. Here a doctor explains how the late-term "procedure" on a born baby can still be accomplished despite the law. I honestly don't know how anyone can watch this and not conclude we have gone down a very dark road.

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Indy, I know you're a man who can pretty much only think in terms of arbitrary appeals to emotion, but what's the difference between that baby in the mother or on the table? Not saying I have the answer
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Watched the aptly named FNC special "See No Evil" about this case. If you think this has nothing to do with abortion then explain why, despite numerous complaints and malpractice suits, this clinic was not inspected by PA health officials for 15 years. GOP hack gov. Tom Ridge, for one, shut down investigations fearing inspections might restrict abortions and, well, that has political consequences. In fact, it was an unrelated DEA raid two years ago that finally exposed the horrors of Dr Gosnell and forced PA officials to take action.

See no evil. That's why the national press had no interest.
See no evil. That's why the president cowardly failed to address the issue when he spoke to Planned Parenthood last month.
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This clinic has nothing to do with Planned Parenthood.

In fact, the clinic underscores the need for more and better Planned Parenthood.
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there goes the right to choose

Abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell guilty of murdering three babies - CSMonitor.com
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