2012 Presidential Debates - Page 8 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-09-2012, 11:37 PM   #141
45:33
 
cobl04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: East Point to Shaolin
Posts: 57,725
Local Time: 07:20 PM
__________________

cobl04 is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 12:10 AM   #142
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,600
Local Time: 12:20 AM
Quote:
October 9, 2012
Romney Pledges to Keep Tax Deductions for Mortgages
By TRIP GABRIEL and HELENE COOPER

CUYAHOGA FALLS, Ohio — Continuing to embrace a more moderate political persona, Mitt Romney offered assurances on Tuesday that he would protect tax deductions for the middle class on home mortgages and charitable donations.

He also said he had no plans to pursue new laws limiting abortion.

“There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda,” he told the editorial board of The Des Moines Register.

With new polling suggesting that he was closing the gap with President Obama in the crucial battleground of Ohio, Mr. Romney subtly distanced himself from earlier divisive statements as he sought to broaden his appeal, especially with women.
Why would anyone not want to give this guy a chance? He is so reasonable.
__________________

deep is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 12:14 AM   #143
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Philadelphia
Posts: 19,218
Local Time: 04:20 AM
This election has turned purely into a culture war, because no one actually has any idea what Mitt Romney's policies in office would be.
PhilsFan is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 09:35 AM   #144
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
BEAL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: San Diego
Posts: 5,957
Local Time: 08:20 AM
John Kerry was destroyed by the Right for being a flip flopper, and now they have one that's an even bigger flop than him!!!!
BEAL is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 09:57 AM   #145
Blue Crack Addict
 
mikal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Black Lodge
Posts: 26,417
Local Time: 02:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BEAL View Post
John Kerry was destroyed by the Right for being a flip flopper, and now they have one that's an even bigger flop than him!!!!
yep. Hopefully Obama will really go on the aggressive in the next debate.

I remember the one thing that stuck with me in 2004 was within all of Bush's rambling, he called Kerry a flip flopper at least 15 times in the town hall debate.

Considering the obvious short attention span of our country (proven by the new polls after the first debate), I believe that if Obama says the word "Flip Flop" enough, he should secure the victory.
mikal is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 10:17 AM   #146
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,066
Local Time: 03:20 AM
The problem, though, is tha Obama -- like all successful black men -- is keenly aware of the "angry black man" caricature and what that does to conservative whites. Kind of like how women must be "ladylike" at all times.
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 10:33 AM   #147
Blue Crack Addict
 
mikal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Black Lodge
Posts: 26,417
Local Time: 02:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
The problem, though, is tha Obama -- like all successful black men -- is keenly aware of the "angry black man" caricature and what that does to conservative whites. Kind of like how women must be "ladylike" at all times.
Good point, I wonder how subtle, sarcastic jabs would come across. Maybe say things like "Interesting position Mr. Romney. Definitely a different position than yesterday. What will your position be on _____ issue tomorrow?"
mikal is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 11:15 AM   #148
ONE
love, blood, life
 
iron yuppie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 10,361
Local Time: 02:20 AM
This is one of the major complications of American political culture. People consistently decry the negativity and smear-campaigns of election season, but then when a candidate appears measured and unwilling to take jabs at the opponent, that candidate is labeled "soft" or "weak." I think that is a tightrope that every presidential candidate, Republican or Democrat, will find difficult to walk.
iron yuppie is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 11:19 AM   #149
ONE
love, blood, life
 
iron yuppie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 10,361
Local Time: 02:20 AM
“There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda,” he told the editorial board of The Des Moines Register.

The smartest thing that he could possibly do at this point in terms of his campaign viability is to back off the social issues. I have no idea whether he would hold to the above statement if elected, but he must have realized that he cannot possibly win while holding antagonistic attitudes toward women and many minority demographics.
iron yuppie is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 12:37 PM   #150
The Male
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 67,887
Local Time: 12:20 AM
I'm hoping Paul Ryan is dumb/zealous enough to fall into that trap though. The margin for error is so small right now, he can easily drag Romney down by association.
LemonMelon is online now  
Old 10-10-2012, 12:47 PM   #151
Blue Crack Distributor
 
Headache in a Suitcase's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Stateless
Posts: 66,288
Local Time: 03:20 AM
John Kerry didn't lose because he was accused of being a flip flopper. Kerry lost because he was an awful candidate.
Headache in a Suitcase is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 02:57 PM   #152
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,622
Local Time: 02:20 AM
Quote:
“There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda,” he told the editorial board of The Des Moines Register.
Apparently you're unfamiliar with your own platform, then. Here's what Romney's campaign spokesman had to say as a follow up:

Quote:
“Governor Romney would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life.”
Here's another chestnut from Romney:

Quote:
"Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan."
Except they're not. Cue campaign spokesman again:
Quote:
"We will give the state initiatives and money so that they can manage these decisions on their own. But, of course, we'd like them to see them continue that pre-existing band for those who have continuous coverage."
And as we all know, preferring something would happen is pretty much as good as law in this country, right?

The ease and frequency of Romney's lies is something to behold. And oddly enough, none of his supporters seem to mind the staggering inconsistency and deception.So yeah, he might be trying to distance himself from some of his more extreme positions, but he's not actually changing any of them.
Diemen is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 03:10 PM   #153
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,600
Local Time: 12:20 AM
the man is on a 'mission'

that mission has 27 days to go, win a few toss up states

success of mission? improving daily.
deep is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 03:16 PM   #154
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,600
Local Time: 12:20 AM
no toss up states map

294 Obama/Biden -- Romney/Ryan 244


RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups

VA will flip next, then it will be

281 Obama/Biden -- Romney/Ryan 257

and Romney will only be 13 electoral votes away


it does look like Ohio, is the firewall
deep is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 03:27 PM   #155
Blue Crack Addict
 
mikal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Black Lodge
Posts: 26,417
Local Time: 02:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deep View Post
no toss up states map

294 Obama/Biden -- Romney/Ryan 244


RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups

VA will flip next, then it will be

281 Obama/Biden -- Romney/Ryan 257

and Romney will only be 13 electoral votes away


it does look like Ohio, is the firewall
All of that is assuming that his momentum continues. I personally woulndn't be surprised if Romney has already hit his peak and that you'll soon see these toss up states start to flip back to Obama.

You and I do agree though that just like Ohio was the firewall for Kerry, it will also be the firewall for 2012's version of a flip flopper.
mikal is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 05:31 PM   #156
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 27,432
Local Time: 03:20 AM
I for one think President Obama needs to get "angry". Show some passion, defend yourself, point out Romney's weaknesses . Because if he continues to perform like he did in that debate then maybe he really doesn't deserve reelection. Or want it, I don't know.

Like I said before, that whole angry black man thing disgusts me. If I were him I'd rather lose than to have to cowtow to that bullshit. People who believe in that wouldn't vote for him regardless. No matter how deferential he was to the white man.
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 10-10-2012, 06:47 PM   #157
Blue Crack Addict
 
Moonlit_Angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In a dimension known as the Twilight Zone...do de doo doo, do de doo doo...
Posts: 20,569
Local Time: 02:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen View Post
I for one think President Obama needs to get "angry". Show some passion, defend yourself, point out Romney's weaknesses . Because if he continues to perform like he did in that debate then maybe he really doesn't deserve reelection. Or want it, I don't know.

Like I said before, that whole angry black man thing disgusts me. If I were him I'd rather lose than to have to cowtow to that bullshit. People who believe in that wouldn't vote for him regardless. No matter how deferential he was to the white man.
I fully agree. He has a right to be angry. Angry at Congress for being immature babies and refusing to work together on anything. Angry at the Republicans for blocking/refusing to support anything he's done so far, and for turning on their very own positions the moment they find out he actually supported something of theirs. Angry at his supporters who just sat back after the election and thought he'd take care of everything for them instead of continuing to work for and alongside him. Angry at the American people at large for buying into "death panels" BS and other stupid scare tactics of that kind instead of listening to the actual facts. Angry at people on the right questioning the legitimacy of his birth and making racist and xenophobic remarks and images about him and his family-he ESPECIALLY has the right to be pissed off about that stuff, because that's just downright offensive. Angry at Romney for telling flat out lies during the debate and in the campaign in general, and so on.

Awwwww, he might scare some people who can't handle someone like Obama getting "angry", poor babies. Well, tough crap, people, deal with it. I find the stereotypical "angry white male" annoying at best, scary at worst, so I guess we're even, then?
Moonlit_Angel is online now  
Old 10-11-2012, 07:14 AM   #158
45:33
 
cobl04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: East Point to Shaolin
Posts: 57,725
Local Time: 07:20 PM
He should do a Julia Gillard.
cobl04 is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 02:50 PM   #159
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,600
Local Time: 12:20 AM
I do not expect this VP debate to have much effect on the polls

much different than last election.
deep is offline  
Old 10-11-2012, 05:23 PM   #160
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,066
Local Time: 03:20 AM
in 1988, Lloyd Bentson provided perhaps the biggest smackdown of any candidate, ever, in a debate:





i was a child watching with my parents, and i still remember this moment. it's amazing, cathartic, and spectacularly delivered.

and H. W. Bush won handily.

the Veep doesn't matter.

what Biden needs to do is look alive, engaged, and not fuck up.
__________________

Irvine511 is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com
×