2012 Presidential Debates - Page 2

Pearl · 10-03-2012, 09:49 PM

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PhilsFan · 10-03-2012, 10:23 PM

Jim Lehrer is struggling mightily out there.

deep · 10-03-2012, 10:28 PM

word count

number 1 for Obama is middle class

Romney ?

maycocksean · 10-03-2012, 10:28 PM

He sure is

maycocksean · 10-03-2012, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deep

word count

number 1 for Obama is middle class

Romney ?

My response was to Phils. The most common word Romney used? I'm guessing "jobs".

deep · 10-03-2012, 10:33 PM

CNN kept score

Obama 42:50
Romney 38:32

Obama won

deep · 10-03-2012, 10:36 PM

There's no better way to judge a debate than on the Six Sigmas of business executive Jack Donaghy: teamwork, insight, brutality, male enhancement, hand-shake-fulness and play-hard. So who won the handshake?

Positioning: Mitt Romney began with advantageous position, his active hand appearing closer to the camera. President Obama negated this advantage with an aggressive bicep grab. Winner: Obama

Creativity: Eschewing the possibility of a "terrorist fist jab" or a complex series of "boyz in the hood" maneuvers, President Obama conceded a tactical advantage. Winner: Romney

Return to Podium: President Obama was first, communicating virility and aggressiveness, but reminding viewers of his speedy Kenyan heritage. Winner: Draw

Overall Winner: Obama

maycocksean · 10-03-2012, 10:43 PM

Well, I think Romney performed pretty well, particularly in the early part of the debate. His first statement with his concise outlining of his five point plan was very strong. Still, I don't know that I'd declare him the overall winner though as the President held his own.

One thing that was very clear to me though Romney wouldn't quite say it, is that if he is elected he will repeal Obamacare but will not actually replace it with anything on the federal level. He'd leave it for the individual states to hash it out.

I found Romney's statements on taxes and such--saying he wouldn't cut taxes for anyone--as very much a push to the center.

INDY500 · 10-03-2012, 10:50 PM

Big win for Romney.

Don't take my word for it, switch to MSNBC and watch the core meltdown they're having.

maycocksean · 10-03-2012, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INDY500

Big win for Romney.

Don't take my word for it, switch to MSNBC and watch the core meltdown they're having.

Eh, I decided well before the debate not to watch the punditry afterwards. I wanted to draw my own conclusions without the influence of the talking heads. I would agree with win. I don't know that I would go with "big win."

I'm sure I'll hear all about it tomorrow.

deep · 10-03-2012, 10:54 PM

Romney clearly won the debate.

all the polls will go that way

CNN, they are all saying he won.
MSNBC, is all upset that Obama was too soft, basically conceding that Romney won.
On CNN that had that dumb graph where undecideds turned the dial up or down. Romney clearly won that group.

Also, talking longer for Obama, actually makes him a bigger loser in tonights debate.

Obama will go down a bit in the polls. Lets hope Biden can best Ryan next week.

PhilsFan · 10-03-2012, 11:11 PM

Everyone took Obama being calm as him being soft. Romney certainly had the flair.

INDY500 · 10-03-2012, 11:15 PM

Answer:

Quote:

Originally Posted by deep

Lets hope Biden can best Ryan next week.

Question: Name one strategy that won't be brainstormed at Team Obama tonight.

digitize · 10-03-2012, 11:16 PM

Nobody won. Obama and Romney lost. That debate was utterly abhorrent. Like, miserably fucking disgusting. Insulting to the collective intelligence of this country. I am actually borderline angry about it.

maycocksean · 10-03-2012, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

Everyone took Obama being calm as him being soft. Romney certainly had the flair.

My democrat friends on Facebook are frustrated that Obama didn't hit harder. . .really annoyed that he didn't bring up the 47%.

My republican friends are feeling pretty good. . .

Moonlit_Angel · 10-03-2012, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

Everyone took Obama being calm as him being soft. Romney certainly had the flair.

If by "flair" you mean rambling a lot in an attempt to squeeze in everything he wanted to say, and trying to dance between appealing to the conservative base and the center all at the same time, then, yeah, sure, he had flair. He was certainly the most animated I've seen him so far, I'll give him that much, I guess.

I find it weird that people are being all surprised now at Obama being calm. Isn't that how he often presents himself?

digitize · 10-03-2012, 11:19 PM

Obama wasn't calm. He was incompetent.

Irvine511 · 10-03-2012, 11:22 PM

I remember when John Kerry cleaned W's clock in the first debate in 2004.

PennyLanePHINS · 10-03-2012, 11:29 PM

He had flair and confidence about lying.

Obama sucked too. Will it go down as one of the worst debates of all time?

I feel like they say a lot without going into explanation about how to accomplish it.

Moonlit_Angel · 10-03-2012, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitize

Obama wasn't calm. He was incompetent.

Eh, I'm talking mainly in tone and speaking manner more than anything else.

I don't think there was a winner. It seems to me the whole thing was more of a draw-Romney stammered and interrupted a lot (he said, "I love Big Bird", for crying out loud), and Obama didn't fight back often enough the way his supporters wanted him to.

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,600 Local Time: 12:16 AM	word count number 1 for Obama is middle class Romney ?

10-03-2012, 10:28 PM	#24
maycocksean Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Most Important State in the Union Posts: 4,892 Local Time: 03:16 AM	He sure is

10-03-2012, 10:33 PM	#26
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,600 Local Time: 12:16 AM	CNN kept score Obama 42:50 Romney 38:32 Obama won

10-03-2012, 10:36 PM	#27
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,600 Local Time: 12:16 AM	There's no better way to judge a debate than on the Six Sigmas of business executive Jack Donaghy: teamwork, insight, brutality, male enhancement, hand-shake-fulness and play-hard. So who won the handshake? Positioning: Mitt Romney began with advantageous position, his active hand appearing closer to the camera. President Obama negated this advantage with an aggressive bicep grab. Winner: Obama Creativity: Eschewing the possibility of a "terrorist fist jab" or a complex series of "boyz in the hood" maneuvers, President Obama conceded a tactical advantage. Winner: Romney Return to Podium: President Obama was first, communicating virility and aggressiveness, but reminding viewers of his speedy Kenyan heritage. Winner: Draw Overall Winner: Obama

10-03-2012, 10:43 PM	#28
maycocksean Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Most Important State in the Union Posts: 4,892 Local Time: 03:16 AM	Well, I think Romney performed pretty well, particularly in the early part of the debate. His first statement with his concise outlining of his five point plan was very strong. Still, I don't know that I'd declare him the overall winner though as the President held his own. One thing that was very clear to me though Romney wouldn't quite say it, is that if he is elected he will repeal Obamacare but will not actually replace it with anything on the federal level. He'd leave it for the individual states to hash it out. I found Romney's statements on taxes and such--saying he wouldn't cut taxes for anyone--as very much a push to the center.

10-03-2012, 10:50 PM	#29
INDY500 Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The American Resistance Posts: 4,754 Local Time: 02:16 AM	Big win for Romney. Don't take my word for it, switch to MSNBC and watch the core meltdown they're having.

10-03-2012, 10:54 PM	#31
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,600 Local Time: 12:16 AM	Romney clearly won the debate. all the polls will go that way CNN, they are all saying he won. MSNBC, is all upset that Obama was too soft, basically conceding that Romney won. On CNN that had that dumb graph where undecideds turned the dial up or down. Romney clearly won that group. Also, talking longer for Obama, actually makes him a bigger loser in tonights debate. Obama will go down a bit in the polls. Lets hope Biden can best Ryan next week.

10-03-2012, 11:11 PM	#32
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 04:16 AM	Everyone took Obama being calm as him being soft. Romney certainly had the flair.

10-03-2012, 11:16 PM	#34
digitize ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New York / Dallas / Austin Posts: 14,074 Local Time: 02:16 AM	Nobody won. Obama and Romney lost. That debate was utterly abhorrent. Like, miserably fucking disgusting. Insulting to the collective intelligence of this country. I am actually borderline angry about it.

10-03-2012, 11:19 PM	#37
digitize ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New York / Dallas / Austin Posts: 14,074 Local Time: 02:16 AM	Obama wasn't calm. He was incompetent.

10-03-2012, 11:22 PM	#38
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 33,066 Local Time: 03:16 AM	I remember when John Kerry cleaned W's clock in the first debate in 2004.

10-03-2012, 11:29 PM	#39
PennyLanePHINS Refugee Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NY Posts: 1,146 Local Time: 03:16 AM	He had flair and confidence about lying. Obama sucked too. Will it go down as one of the worst debates of all time? I feel like they say a lot without going into explanation about how to accomplish it.