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Old 08-28-2012, 09:40 PM   #81
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Who is assaulting marriage?

And then INDY tells us how it's about the economy. As if we are all imagining the endless commentary on the assault on marriage and the well wishes for the unborn. Gimme a break.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:44 PM   #82
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When you or I talk like this we may be called mean spirited.

Her parents could have gone on aid and raised her that way.

Now her children will most likely be self-sufficient like she is and their grand parents are. Sometimes what is called the safety net, can become a web that traps, or a hammock.
Like I said, poverty is very complex and no one should pigeon hole those who live like that. I don't see how looking down on those on welfare or encouraging to stay on it for unnecessarily long periods of time is good for this country at all.
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By the way, once again, I'm just LOVING hearing the party of "small government" talk about wanting to support denying gay people the right to marry and making laws about what women can do with their bodies . Remember: getting involved in regulating businesses so they don't screw people over=bad. But getting involved in regulating people's love lives and women's bodies? Yeah, that's fine.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:57 PM   #84
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By the way, once again, I'm just LOVING hearing the party of "small government" talk about wanting to support denying gay people the right to marry and making laws about what women can do with their bodies . Remember: getting involved in regulating businesses so they don't screw people over=bad. But getting involved in regulating people's love lives and women's bodies? Yeah, that's fine.
It is bizarre!

Sometimes when I really analyze what role should the government play in society and in the country, I feel as if the whole idea of how this government is set up should change radically. Not only should the government stay out of social issues, but also local economics. I don't know, I just believe that local communities should get together and help each other in times of a bad economy, teen pregnancies, drug addiction and things like that. Its like I want tribalism to come back and have some sort of an institution do all the foreign work in this increasingly globalized world.

I know, I know, what I just said is extremely laughable. But I really believe the government should stay away from social issues and local businesses and economies. There's too much government all around to me.

Ha ha, I'm funny.
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Ann Romney is directing her speech towards women.
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some will call it good
some will call it patronizing
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:38 PM   #87
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I, unlike most of you, actually listened to the Santorum speech and didn't hear one mention of anything related to gay marriage. Here's the line:

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The fact is that marriage is disappearing in places where government dependency is highest. Most single mothers do heroic work and an amazing job raising their children, but if America is going to succeed, we must stop the assault on marriage and the family," he said. "Under President Obama, the dream of freedom and opportunity has become a nightmare of dependency with almost half of America receiving some government benefit."

The former Pennsylvania Senator offered up his formula for economic success: Work hard, go to school, and get married before having children.

"In America we believe in freedom and the responsibility that comes with it to work hard to make that dream of reaching our God-given potential come true," he said. "Graduate from high school, work hard, and get married before you have children and the chance you will ever be in poverty is just two percent."
He went on to talk about "family; the first rung to success" being missing or broken for so many children.

At this point I have to ask: Do some of you even give a rat's ass about the truth? Pearl? Anitram? Moonlit? Deep?
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Christie launching his 2016 campaign.
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It's interesting that Republicans are concerned about government debt once again, finally.

Certainly, I welcome the return to traditional conservative values, but you would have to admit your party went hog wild in the Bush years.
That's why the GOP lost the House and Senate in 2006 and the White House in 2010. The base was demoralized and independents rightfully went in the direction of "change" as well.

It's why the "right track, wrong track" numbers were so high during Bush's 2nd term. Democrats and a lot of conservatives all thought we were on the wrong track albeit for different reasons.

Finally, Bush's bailouts were the genesis of the Tea Party.
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I, unlike most of you, actually listened to the Santorum speech and didn't hear one mention of anything related to gay marriage. Here's the line:



He went on to talk about "family; the first rung to success" being missing or broken for so many children.

At this point I have to ask: Do some of you even give a rat's ass about the truth? Pearl? Anitram? Moonlit? Deep?
Did I write anything about "gay marriage" ?

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Santorum is talking about the assault on marriage.
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Santorum, standing ovation "all God's children born and unborn"
those are direct quotes from his speech
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I also directly quoted "assault on marriage" and made no comment whatsoever relating to gay marriage.
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At this point I have to ask: Do some of you even give a rat's ass about the truth? Pearl? Anitram? Moonlit? Deep?
Oh, come on. Enough with the sanctimony, please. None of these posters have been any less dedicated to "the truth" than you have.

That said, your point about Santorums "assault on the family" comment being taken out of context IS valid.
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At this point I have to ask: Do some of you even give a rat's ass about the truth? Pearl? Anitram? Moonlit? Deep?
Given Santorum's track record on SSM, it was only natural to think he was speaking against the issue.

And please don't say I don't "give a rat's ass" about the deterioration of families in America. That was really rude and aggressive to use such words.
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I heard some of John Kasich's speech on NPR on the drive home this evening and it was actually pretty good. I always appreciate it when they avoid all the apocalyptic "OMG we have to take back our country" stuff. His speech was very much about the economy.

I had to wonder if that glowing report about Ohio's progress in the last year and a half is all true.
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aren't there a lot of auto plants in Ohio

didn't the Obama bail out boost them and their related businesses?
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I, unlike most of you, actually listened to the Santorum speech and didn't hear one mention of anything related to gay marriage. Here's the line:



He went on to talk about "family; the first rung to success" being missing or broken for so many children.

At this point I have to ask: Do some of you even give a rat's ass about the truth? Pearl? Anitram? Moonlit? Deep?
1, yes, we do, thanks.
2, yes, he's right that many families are broken, but I would disagree with his reasoning as to why.
3, I apologize for miscontruing things, but "assault on marriage and the family" still sounds weird. He's still concerned about marriage disappearing, as he noted in that speech, he's just decided to pick a different reason as to why this time. And given his anti-gay marriage history, it's kind of hard not to think of that issue right away the moment he starts going on about the "assault on marriage" and whatnot.
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Old 08-28-2012, 11:49 PM   #97
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aren't there a lot of auto plants in Ohio

didn't the Obama bail out boost them and their related businesses?
Yes, that's true, I believe.

Listening to him speak, it all sounded so good, but the whole time I was wondering "what's the other side of this story?"
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:07 AM   #98
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I saw the two big speeches. Just some sheer political observations...

I thought Ann Romney was good, if not very good. And sincere and/or believable.
I like her. She's the best advertisement for Mitt Romney available. They should put Mitt back in his box and store him until after November and just send her out there.

And I thought Chris Christie was self-involved...and if I am Mitt Romney, I think it was a massive failure. Christie was supposed to do the one thing Mitt certainly can't do. Sell Mitt Romney. I think Christie spoke for 20 minutes before even mentioning Mitt. He is a great speaker and could have knocked it out the park. Instead it is now left to the two stiffs batting 3rd (Ryan) and 4th (Romney). White bread deluxe. Christie failed, IMO.

Truth is, I bet Mitt actually gives a good speech on Thursday. We shall see.
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agree, Ann Romney did well

and Christie, I don't understand what people see in him, what a blow hard.
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:47 AM   #100
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Christie is an...interesting individual, to be sure.

Agreed with everyone on Ann Romney. No issues with her.

Also, found this on Yahoo!. I'll just leave it here:

GOP OKs platform barring abortions, gay marriage - Yahoo! News
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