2012 Conventions; Tampa & Charlotte

[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by Popmartijn

On the spectrum the Democratic party is center/center-right. No, they're not on the left side of the spectrum. Even Obama is center-right. That's why all that socialist/communist/marxist talk is so stupid and refects bad on those stating it.

We forget about this too often in the US. I mean, the conservative PM of the UK did an "It Gets Better" ad. Can you even imagine someone like Romney doing that in the US?

[BVS]

Romney came out over the weekend and stated that he wouldn't repeal all of the Affordable Care Act. Basically he'll only repeal the mandate, which will make everything unsustainable.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by BVS

Romney came out over the weekend and stated that he wouldn't repeal all of the Affordable Care Act. Basically he'll only repeal the mandate, which will make everything unsustainable.

He claimed that he would keep "allowing people with preexisting conditions to get health care" in an interview, but then later clarified that he only meant that people with preexisting conditions who already have insurance to keep their insurance. In other words, he endorsed completely unsustainable policy to look "moderate" and then backpedaled by saying that he supports insurance companies indeed being insurance companies and paying for claims. He is a confusing man.

[MrsSpringsteen]

I read that he also supposedly meant to say (well his aide had to interpret) that the marketplace will take care of people with preexisting conditions. And it's been doing a bang up job of that so far. I just can't comprehend such a cavalier dismissive attitude towards people who are suffering. Mrs. Romney has a preexisting condition, but obviously no worries about affording care. Another thing that he was for before he was against, no matter how much he denies that.

His comments about health care give me such a headache. I'll just bang my head against a wall some more instead of going to a doctor.

[deep]

If people can't afford health insurance they should shop around or borrow money from their parents.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by deep

If people can't afford health insurance they should shop around or borrow money from their parents.

Amen brotha

Or ask an empty chair how to get some

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by maycocksean

Sadly, the Republican party in general and you in particular have abdicated any form of responsible conservative argument in favor straw man arguments, sanctimony, tweaking the noses of liberals for your own entertainment, and what was the word you used. . .ah yes, demagoguery. . .which is a shame. Because the very imbalance towards a liberal understanding of these issues that you claim to deplore both among the American public and here in FYM is something you yourself perpetuate.

I can only guess that you confuse my rhetorical certainty with sanctimony.

But yes, I take great pleasure in tweaking liberals only because, judging from their reactions and retorts, most are so unaccustomed to their positions being ridiculed or challenged. Do you blame me?

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

agreed.

the GOP -- by far the most right wing mainstream party in the developed world --

You say that like it's a bad thing. Yes, if you think the U.S. should be more like Europe, don't vote Republican.

but the opposing side has no plan. none. and what they say may sound good for the 24-hour news cycle, briefly, but when it all adds up, it doesn't add up.

Pretty sure I heard Democrat after Democrat warning that Paul Ryan wanted to "end Medicare as we know it." Or that Ryan's Path to Prosperity would result in massive cuts to education, research , etc. Detailed legislation to reform entitlements and balance the budgets sound suspiciously like plans to me.

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Detailed legislation to reform entitlements and balance the budgets sound suspiciously like plans to me.

But his "balanced budget" doesn't make any sense, as I have been stating over and over again. He thinks "tax loopholes" is a magic wand that can make $4.6 trillion appear out of thin air. That's insanity.

He's also a proven liar (don't pull the Clinton card, I'm not a Clinton fan and never have been) who pretty much just makes things up whenever he wants to. That's the man that Mitt Romney chose.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

But his "balanced budget" doesn't make any sense, as I have been stating over and over again. He thinks "tax loopholes" is a magic wand that can make $4.6 trillion appear out of thin air. That's insanity.

And note how neither of them could name a specific loophole this past Sunday.

Turning Medicare into a voucher program certainly is ending it as we know it.

I agree, we need entitlement reform. Ryan isn't offering any with any basis in reality.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by INDY500

You say that like it's a bad thing. Yes, if you think the U.S. should be more like Europe, don't vote Republican.

In terms of recessionary economics, actually, Europe has done a fair job of emulating the GOP lately.

[maycocksean]

Originally Posted by INDY500

I can only guess that you confuse my rhetorical certainty with sanctimony.

Piously carrying on about the deficit while advocating cutting taxes for "job creators". . .yeah, that's sanctimony.

Originally Posted by INDY500

But yes, I take great pleasure in tweaking liberals only because, judging from their reactions and retorts, most are so unaccustomed to their positions being ridiculed or challenged. Do you blame me?

It's unproductive is all.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by INDY500

But yes, I take great pleasure in tweaking liberals only because, judging from their reactions and retorts, most are so unaccustomed to their positions being ridiculed or challenged. Do you blame me?

Um, no? Speaking for myself, please, by all means, debate me when an issue comes up.

And given the way you responded in the same-sex thread, deciding to bow out instead of answering half the questions posed to you by many people in there, I don't know if you really have much room to talk.

Besides, as Sean said, it doesn't add to the discussion, and it doesn't really make anyone want to hear what you have to say, even if it's valid.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Detailed legislation to reform entitlements and balance the budgets sound suspiciously like plans to me.

Paul Ryan's budget is dependent on US unemployment rate to drop to 2.8% by 2028. Sure that's a plan. Just like it's my plan to win the lottery.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by maycocksean

Piously carrying on about the deficit while advocating cutting taxes for "job creators". . .yeah, that's sanctimony.
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most if not all of the time post Nixon (and maybe Nixon except i didn't pay attention to everything he did pre-Watergate) Republic Presidents have let the Budget ballon while at the same time not striving for a balanced budget. Chenney said balancing the budget wasn't a big deal.

And then porceeded to reverse Pres Clinton's Budget Surplus by starting 2 wars without raising taxes (bever been done before), making Medicare Part D ?an funded mandate.

Then as just about as soon as Pres Obama took office....
they sanctimoniously declare "...we must balance The Budget..."

what a crock.

AND of course then without making the wealthy & very wealthy corporations pay their fair share... they go for almost every program that helps the middle class, the working class, the poor, the younger disabled, the frail/or poor elderly, inner-city familes etc

which in many cases is what almost all republicans on the national, and many in the Stateb level wanted all along was to decimate these programs...

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Detailed legislation to reform entitlements and balance the budgets sound suspiciously like plans to me.

Detailed? The likes of independents and Rand Paul disagree. Medicare as a voucher program that doesn't and can't assure that if that person doesn't choose wisely or the "competitive private market" fails that the senior won't be left on their own.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by anitram

Paul Ryan's budget is dependent on US unemployment rate to drop to 2.8% by 2028. Sure that's a plan. Just like it's my plan to win the lottery.

2.8% is probably below what would occur at full employment, and is close to impossible and probably not desirable.

[KhanadaRhodes]

Originally Posted by anitram

Paul Ryan's budget is dependent on US unemployment rate to drop to 2.8% by 2028. Sure that's a plan. Just like it's my plan to win the lottery.

wow. the last time it was around that, my mom was a newborn. i guess he plans on starting ww3 around 2017? just so i can prepare. hey, if we fight the germans again, my degree will really come in handy then! fuck it, i'm voting romney.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes

hey, if we fight the germans again, my degree will really come in handy then!

If we fight the Germans I will have an inner crisis, given my heavily German ancestry .

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by anitram

Paul Ryan's budget is dependent on US unemployment rate to drop to 2.8% by 2028. Sure that's a plan. Just like it's my plan to win the lottery.

Source?