2012 Conventions; Tampa & Charlotte

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by INDY500

I'm not sure what I find more amusing: Obama's speech being moved indoors due to "empty seats" or Democratic delegates booing God and Jerusalem being put back in their party platform.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3872849

ya know why some Democrats "booed God" ?

Because they are tired of Uber Right Wing Republicans trying to shove their idea of God and the way God "should be" and the way "He" should be Worshipped down the throats of everyone else's personal religious, spiritual, or ethical humanistic views. That's why.

they are the American Taliban along witrh some Uber Right Catholics.... and not much if a fan of Ultra-Orthodox Jews either Except THEY (usually) don't go around trying to shove their religion down non-Jewish folks! That's goys, people.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by Steved1998

I pledge allegiance to the UNITED STATES not the state of Israel. There's no reason to put Jerusalem in any party platform unless you're bowing to AIPAC. They've got the money and guns- let them sort out their own shit.

ugh AIPAC .......

what's SO deffieciant and sad is that in Israel there's much more of a broader debate between Ultra-Religous, Religious, more Reform and probably some secular Jews and a very much Active Peace Movement, and Jews already working with Palestinian Peace & cooperation people through the years....
...not that many non-Jewish Americans even know this !!!

How do I know this?

I'm not Jewish, I just play one on TV!



j/k.... i spent a lot of years my later kid, tween & teen years ESP when we first moved into the middle section of the area there... it was? oh 60-65% Jewish. A mix of secular, Reform, Conservative but not Ultra-Orthadox Jews!

It was great fun when they're be the High Holy Days ( Sept - Oct depending on older Calander) and the rest of us... some Protestians, a lot of various Ethnic Catholics: Irish, Greek, and anti-Castro Cubans and Puerto Ricans Catholics too.....
and there'd be only 35-30% in the class!

Anyway i'm a native NYC'r, there's big a big Jewish presense and concentrated in certain neighborhoods more than others, so sort of picked up some of the lingo.....
Israel could do no wrong.

Over the decades i learned a way more nuanced view. I still support their Statehood alot, but their are issues of fairness & abuse etc that have not been well adressed.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by trojanchick99

Bill Clinton is an incredible public speaker. He is gifted at explaining complex policy.

He really has a way of being animated, funny and clear-spoken wonkiness all in one!

[cobl04]

Just watching Clinton's speech now. Pretty gripping stuff, the man is very good at this. And to me it looks like a hell of a lot of it was off the top of his head, even if he knew what he was going to talk about. Amazing.

Also loved that the second time he mentioned the GOP was to praise the efforts of previous Republican presidents and promote cooperation, rather than attacking them.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Is Bill Clinton still speaking? Couldn't make it through the whole thing.

He's thinner than ever.

48 minutes. How long was his infamously long speech? Can't remember.

[anitram]

I really, really feel, without the support of polls or anything of the sort, that this election is essentially all but over for Mitt Romney.

What a stark contrast between the conventions. How clear it is that one party is living in decades past.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by anitram

I really, really feel, without the support of polls or anything of the sort, that this election is essentially all but over for Mitt Romney.

What a stark contrast between the conventions. How clear it is that one party is living in decades past.

It'll be interesting to see what polls do next week. They've been inching towards a dead tie since the GOP convention started, but there's likely a convention bump in there, of course. Whether you chalk it up to press bias or a legitimately better performance, the DNC has had two nights in a row of good press, with Clinton's speech doing a lot to overshadow Obama's speech moving inside and the party platform shenanigans. Much better than Clint Eastwood's bizarre circus act and Paul Ryan's lies (as noted the morning after by Fox News).

[MrsSpringsteen]

You can't make this stuff up. Almost as awkward as Clinton/Obama after the "Obama would have been getting us coffee/carrying our bags" comments.


ABC News’ Michael Falcone reports:

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — This could get awkward.

Rabbi David Wolpe of Los Angeles’ Sinai Temple, where Monica Lewinsky and her family were congregation members for decades and where Lewinsky attended religious school, is scheduled to deliver the benediction at the Democratic National Convention tonight — not long after Bill Clinton speaks.

Not only was Wolpe the Lewinsky family’s rabbi, he also sharply condemned President Clinton at the time his sexual relationship with Lewinsky, then a 24-year-old White House intern, was dominating national headlines.

“He was a brilliant, talented, extraordinary child, and for the leader of the United States we need an adult,” Rabbi Wolpe told his temple, according to a 1998 Associated Press account. He said Clinton needed to “cleanse his soul.”

And other news reports from the time noted that Wolpe accused Clinton of hiding behind a “flinty legalistic apology,” for his romantic dalliances with the young intern.

President Clinton will deliver a much-anticipated speech on Wednesday to close out the convention’s second night.

According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency: “Wolpe said his prayer on Wednesday evening will focus on the ideals animating the United States. … This year, Wolpe was named the most influential rabbi in America by Newsweek magazine and one of the 50 most influential Jews in the world by The Jerusalem Post. He is the author of seven books, and is widely known as a newspaper columnist and radio and television commentator.”

In 2009, Wolpe wrote a commentary in the Washington Post reflecting on the episode, which resulted in Clinton’s impeachment but not his removal from office: “During the Lewinsky scandal, it was the lying and smearing of Monica Lewinsky that marked the low point of the event, not the sex, which was primarily an issue for the individuals and families involved.”

[MrsSpringsteen]

Oh Ann, you are so funny


Ann Coulter sent a controversial tweet about President Bill Clinton and Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke during the Democratic National Convention on Thursday.

Shortly after 8:00 p.m., Coulter tweeted:

@AnnCoulter

Bill Clinton just impregnated Sandra Fluke backstage...


When a follower responded to Coulter, asking if Fluke was "the most exciting speaker at the DNC tonight," Coulter responded, "They're spicing things up with a live abortion on stage!"

[BonosSaint]

Bill Clinton is a rock star. He is the only reason I watched any of the DNC (didn't watch the Republicans at all) For the rest of the speeches I can scan the texts online, but I don't like to miss a Clinton performance no matter how long winded he might be. The Clintons are the only politicians left who still move me.

That being said, I'll be reading the factchecks.

[MrsSpringsteen]

How freaking embarrassing. That still is also very unflattering.

Mayor Menino Calls Martin Luther King "Martha" At Democratic National Convention - YouTube

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by deep

too bad he screwed the gays over

It is.

And too bad he screwed over all of us when he repealed Glass-Steegal and the banking industry started to play poker with your money.

He's done some bad things too, deep, but adults are often capable of holding several thoughts in their head at once

[MrsSpringsteen]

All politicians have screwed people over. Doesn't justify any of the screwing over, but it's an undeniable fact.

[Steved1998]

They weren't booing they were saying Jerruuuoooosalem

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Is Bill Clinton still speaking? Couldn't make it through the whole thing.

He's thinner than ever.

48 minutes. How long was his infamously long speech? Can't remember.

Actually i think he looked good, i've seen photos of him looking thinner.I wouldn't have really thot of it as long IF the Talkinh Heads on CBS hadn't mentioned how bad his firsrt spoeech was> just before he spoke!

I was thinking this IS long but in the context of how many people are going to be bored by this..... not me per se.
But with the cameras they hopped through the crowd and saw
a hell of a lot excited and intensely listening!

:lo; I for got to mention he's sooo smart along with being a wonk! I guess your could be an ineffective wonk by being not very smart?

But he has the gift of putting complex things in simpler terms

In a sense he had to make a long speech b/c he had to go through all these different policy points with both the human/emotional side b/c cause of his empathy and his life experinces along with the stats to back Obama's actions up and illumiinate what Romney/Ryan will do to us, wehile also being animated in his speaking manner to further engage the audience.

Originally Posted by anitram

I really, really feel, without the support of polls or anything of the sort, that this election is essentially all but over for Mitt Romney.

What a stark contrast between the conventions. How clear it is that one party is living in decades past.

BUT ONE CAUTION>> the Voter Suppresion/ go through hoops yo be able to get a "proper" State ID or renew Driver's lisence.

i do has some more hope now bwecause I've heard alot of the "boots on the ground" national & locally directed groups working in the affeted States ie Pensylvania, Virginia, Ohio and a few others.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by BonosSaint

Bill Clinton is a rock star. He is the only reason I watched any of the DNC (didn't watch the Republicans at all) For the rest of the speeches I can scan the texts online, but I don't like to miss a Clinton performance no matter how long winded he might be. The Clintons are the only politicians left who still move me.

That being said, I'll be reading the factchecks.

you should YT up Deval Patrick, (?former) Gov Strickland speeches they were fabulous speeches, very strong!

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

And too bad he screwed over all of us when he repealed Glass-Steegal and the banking industry started to play poker with your money.

He's done some bad things too, deep, but adults are often capable of holding several thoughts in their head at once

Did you hear he had sex with someone named Monica, too?

He improvised parts of his speech and it didn't involve talking to an empty chair? My mind = blown.

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

It is.

And too bad he screwed over all of us when he repealed Glass-Steegal and the banking industry started to play poker with your money.

He's done some bad things too, deep, but adults are often capable of holding several thoughts in their head at once

indeed!
That's why I can enthusiasticall support Pres Obama for the
good he has done while being troulbed by other parts of his actions. I didn't get really burned like some Liberals/Proressives did with Pres Obama...becuase I knew enough that for me he would compromise perhaps too much in some arenas. This was becuase I thought Pres Clintonn was more progressive than he turned out to be. So I learned my lessons back then. But he did do some great things too! SO I'm lad in all he was President.

Oh yes I cringed when Glass-Steegal was removed! I knew Baaaad Stuff would happen eventually!
DADT.. i didn't quite understand all the ramafications of how bad that would end up being. And of course gay people be able to be yourself in such a heavy situation as serving esp in more combat situations to be able to celebrate if you had/have deep emotional/romantic parterships, and now marriage in some cases to be able to share/celebrate those bonds that also help keep you going in dangerous situations along with Unit Cohesion and comraderie!

[anitram]

Originally Posted by INDY500

I'm not sure what I find more amusing: Obama's speech being moved indoors due to "empty seats"

[corianderstem]

So .... you're saying it's being moved inside because nobody likes him, and he has a cloud of rain that follows him around, raining only on him? That's a shame.