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Old 08-30-2012, 10:51 PM   #201
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The first thing a cult does is tell you everyone else is lying.
Wouldn't that include all political parties?
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:05 PM   #202
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But what's got me very worried today is the blatant acceptance of post-truthiness that one feels creeping deeply into our national debate. Most -- not all -- of the news stories on the speeches from the convention -- and I'm sure this won't be limited to the Republicans -- focus on the emotional, the personal stories, the strategic (did the speech accomplish its goal...did is rally the base... did it appeal to [interest group]?), the political horse race.
And then there's this other section of the show or the newspaper-if you're lucky or interested in going there -- that asks... um... how much of what you just heard was true?
Think about this for a second. Just the fact that newspapers now need a fact-check section is itself evidence that we're deep into the post-truth era. There's the news... and then there's the question of how much of the news is true.
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It is sad that nothing can be trusted - the government, the media, even book authors have to be closely examined to understand where they are coming from in order to determine if what they wrote is factual. There is no real journalism anymore, its all PR, marketing and basic BS. At the same time, its all a big war - minus the violence - for power.

But hey, its human nature. Propaganda is nothing new, its always been there. It just feels so crushing these days because we're surrounded by the media these days - TV, the internet, Twitter, etc.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:06 PM   #203
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I've been doing my patriotic duty by watching Football and missed the apparently strange Clint Eastwood speech. From what I'm reading, they'd have been better off having the Reagan hologram
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:08 PM   #204
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The first thing a cult does is tell you everyone else is lying.

So, thanks for the dispatch from the Fox bubble.
The Fox bubble, so unlike the objective, non-partisan New Republic bubble you posted from on the previous page.

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It's like listening to the Patty Hearst tapes.
Patty's Marxist, anti-American rants were the result of being kidnapped and brainwashed by the Symbionese Liberation Army at the age of 19.

What's your excuse?
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:19 PM   #205
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I'm about 30 minutes behind on my dvr

Romney's entrance was good, very much like a SOTU entrance.

I have never been a Rubio fan, But I will say I was impressed with his speaking ability, Probably one to watch.

Romney's best advocates, have been everyone else. He seems like a much more decent and capable person than what he comes across as when he is speaking. I really think he does not like to toot his own horn.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:22 PM   #206
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Oh and hear there was a Code Pink protester. That isn't the time or place for a protest.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:23 PM   #207
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Romney and the GOP need to bowl a perfect game to win. No margin for error.

I think it is possible for them to win. This has been a very good convention for the GOP.

If Romney pulls a rabbit out of the hat and wins, he will owe a part of that success to John Stewart and his lemmings.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:36 PM   #208
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The Fox bubble, so unlike the objective, non-partisan New Republic bubble you posted from on the previous page.

Dude, Ryan's lies were homepage news this morning across most media outlets including Fox News, as was posted in here this morning.

Sensing distress among the ranks, the NRO dispatched its hacks to get to work and give people such as yourself something to hold on to.
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:58 PM   #209
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Jon Huntsman was just interviewed on Colbert's show.

Why can't he be the face of the GOP? I'd listen to him.
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I'll also add that I read The Corner frequently (NRO's opinion page) Soni well know from whence INDY posts.

Kathryn Jean Lopez is absolutely unmissable. Her post today about "Ryan at prayer" has to be read to be believed.

And remember, these are the people who will tell you the truth. No one else. The rest of the media is liberal and they lie.
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All right, uncle. I'm watching the Eastwood speech.

What in goodness gracious' sake is this?
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Old 08-31-2012, 12:15 AM   #212
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All right, uncle. I'm watching the Eastwood speech.

What in goodness gracious' sake is this?
There is already an Invisible Obama twitter feed.
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It's making me a little sad for Mr. Eastwood. I don't want to assume that age is taking its toll*, but that's kind of how he's coming across.







* I'd like to think that maybe he just really doesn't give a shit and is winging it. The other options are the aforementioned aging issues, or that someone actually wrote this, which is fairly baffling.
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" Go @#%& yourself "

Bevis and Butthead would be proud.
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Watching it now. I think he's senile.
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that article doesn't really say much and it is not current

using the Koch brothers as the boogeyman may not be correct

David Koch breaks from GOP on gay marriage, taxes, defense cuts - Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO.com
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I actually watched most of the convention last night with my very Republican in-laws...

I expected it to be somewhat akward at times, and they were only the akward moments were provided by Eastwood(I couldn't even watch the whole thing) and the guy commentating for Fox. What a trainwreck. My in-laws were motivated from the night before, all they could talk about was Ryan, but last night was full of crickets, eyerolls, and cringes. They found the whole night deflating, there was maybe two audible "yeahs", I think both from Rubio's speech and complete lack of interest during Mitt's speech, which we all joked had to be sponsored by Mary Kay.
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Jon Huntsman was just interviewed on Colbert's show.

Why can't he be the face of the GOP? I'd listen to him.
I would be tempted to vote for Huntsman over Obama. Which is why he can't be the face of the GOP.
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It's making me a little sad for Mr. Eastwood. I don't want to assume that age is taking its toll*, but that's kind of how he's coming across.
I didn't see it last night but watched it this morning. I actually couldn't follow half of what he was saying. Totally bizarre.
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i think lots of old white men who watch Fox News spend their days arguing with an invisible Obama.

we get that in here, even.
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