Tele or Strat

[bfoster88]

What would you say is the better guitar for 'allround' U2 edgy type sounds?
Strat or Tele?

 

[muller]

strat definitely especialy for achtung baby/zooropa, but recently he's gone back to his gibsons. personally for an allround edge sound i would use a gibson/epiphone of some sort. i have a knock off tele and and epiphone les paul, and i can get a better u2 sound off the lp than off the tele...

 

[discothequeLP]

for Edgey sounds, Strat would get you to more songs: Gloria, An Cat Dubh, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Bad, Pride, practically all of The Joshua Tree. . . basically all the 80s songs. but the Tele is the better guitar.

 

[bfoster88]

cheers!

Decisions decisions!

Id love a Gibson Les Paul - but unfortunatly it blows my budget to bits at the moment.

So, its a toss up between the tele or the strat.

Like the look of the tele though....

In what way is the tele better?

 

[muller]

well teles a great looking guitar and a great sound for rock n roll, country etc but no a very versatile sound in comparison to the strat which will do just about any sound. but seriously i have an epiphone les paul and they cost only a bit more than a mexican strat and its great... look into it...

 

[bfoster88]

Yeah ive found some good deals on the Strat and Epi Les Paul - About £300 from wembley guitar and rockfactory each.

I think the best thing would be to get into the shops and give them a whirl and see what i like the feel / sound off.

Are there any amps / pedals that you would reccomend getting to get started as well?

Id rather get decentish gear, so dont mind paying say £70 - £100 for a pedal.

Are these multi effects pedals any good? Seen a Boss one for about £260 - better to get this than say 3 or 4 seperate pedals?

 

[muller]

well i have a boss dd3 - delay (excellent), boss CS3- compression/sustainer (dont really use), boss os2- overdrive/distortion (very good pedal although for edge sound go for a SD1 cheaper and actually what he used for a good while, thats just overdrive though, you could do with a distortion pedal, if so then get an ibanez ts9) also have a jim dunlop crybaby - essential for achtung baby stuff.

so for the classic edge sound:

Boss dd3
Boss sd1

then expand from there...

wouldnt be mad about multieffects pedals, you get more of a feel for the sound you want by using individual pedals, and there better, sturdy and less can go wrong, although you will need lots of batteries or a boss adaptor with the daisy chain for multiple pedals. ive heard the boss gt6 is brilliant but i personally would prefer to spend the money on seperate pedals!! hope it helps...

 

[muller]

amp-wise i have a 120w behringer amp it has a beautiful clean channel, overdrive channel pretty poor and most built in effects arent worth using. i would recommend line 6 for their amp models, you can get a great ac30-type sound from most of their models, give em a try. if youre only practising at home spider1x12 would do you grand if youre gonna use it for gigging spider2x12 would be grand not hooked up to a pa for a small to medium venue.

 

[bfoster88]

can u describe with difference between overdrive and distortion?

Example of song using each would be great!

Thanks v. much for the help so far, much appreciated!

Had a play on a strat and a les paul today in the store, quite liked the strat!

Also been on the Line6 site, their amps look like a good bit of kit.

 

[OnFire]

Don't even think about buying a Fender product without checking out the competing G&L or Tribute by G&L (basically equivalent to Mexican made Fender Strats) products. The Tribute series will cost about $50-$100 more than mexican strats but you'll get a much better guitar, probably better than most new American Strats.

Have fun with whatever you get.

 

[muller]

overdrive is sunday bloody sunday, distortion is elevation, difference is overdrive is essentially overdriving the amp and trying to get too much output, it is smoother and have a less harsh sound, blues and 60s britpop are good examples of overdrive.

distortion makes the sound a lot dirtier and grittier used in metal and hard rock mainly. i love a good overdriven sound but nothing beats having a good rock with distortion full and amp as loud as it goes, although ive never gone by 3 on mine!!!

 

[bfoster88]

cheers muller!!!

Will have to have a play around in the shop! Going to be in there hours

Any Amps worth looking at - around the £100 / £150 mark? Happy to get 2nd hand as well.

 

[TheMofoFly]

if you dont intend to be gigging for a while this will do:
h**p://www.thomann.de/line6_spider_ii_30_prodinfo.html?iwid=2

also check this site out before you buy anything, got a guitar and amp for only 25euro delivery and saved me about 200euro, absolutely recommend it.

edit: btw i'm muller but got sick of my username!!

 

[bfoster88]

cheers mate

Ive had a look at some of their gear - looks a good bet.

I saw the other day on Ebay a Vox AD15VT going for about £100ish.

Only going of the Vox name, but what do you think?

I heard someone saying that valve amps are only good for gigging as they need the volume up to get the quality? true?

 

[TheMofoFly]

not quite true, althought the VT arent true valve amps their a mix, valve overdrive as far as i can remember... but valve amps are at their best near full volume, but in good amps shouldnt really make that much of a difference. thats a great price btw!

if you could pick one up for around that price would be a great steal, vox arent quite what they used to be, but still make great amps!!

got some great reviews here:
h**p://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data/Vox/AD30VT_Combo-01.html

 

[bfoster88]

Cheers Mofo.

Been looking around and it seems for around the £100 - £120 mark the Vox 15VT, Roland Cube or Line6 seems to be the way to go.

Anyone got any of these? reccomend?

 

[theAtomic]

tele or strat

I would not say that tele is a better guitar than strat. Tele has its own sound what is a matter of preferance. As far as I know, it is not easy to find a good sounding tele. For example, Squier tele very often has a very bad sound.

If you want to sound like the edge, I would, like othres, say that strat is a better option. Specialy, for playing "Streets" you really need Strat.

BTW, yesterday I bought stratocaster (made in USA) and I paid it cca 450$ (used) which is a very good price. I am very happy because it sounds very good.

 

[TheMofoFly]

thats a great price good work!!

 

[bfoster88]

450$!!!! geez!

In the UK they are more than that in £!! (seen USA strats for about £529) I think im going to have to go for a mexican to get started with.

Played a Tele yesterday, but i prefer the Strat. so at least that has narrowed it down!

Just need to decide on weather to get a fat strat or a standard single coil strat. Anyone know what the edge uses? From the joshua tree dvd it looks like a single coil for with or without you?

Cheers again everyone, much appreciated.

 

[theAtomic]

The edge uses single coil strat. For "Streets" he uses middle and bridge pickups together. If you have a strat with 5-positin-switch it is a second position form the bottom. If you have 3-position-switch it is also possible. You have to "turn" the swich between first and second position form the bottom.

 

[TheMofoFly]

he uses single coil all the time afaik. uses strat esp on joshua tree and achtung baby

 

[bfoster88]

cheers again!!

 

[theAtomic]

I think that the edge played Achtung Baby with different guitars, Gibson Les Paul and Rickenbacker.
Zoo Station - Les Paul
EBTART - Ricky
One - ? maybe GIBSON or semi-acoustic
UTEOTW - GIBSON
FLY - I think GIBSON in studio, Strat for live.
MW - Ricky
Ultraviolet - Strat
LOVE IS BLINDLESS - Les Paul

 

[TheMofoFly]

oh i just remeber him have that strat with the skeleton on it for the Zoo Tv tour, i thought he used it a lot more on AB

 

[bfoster88]

its either a strat or tele for One on the slane dvd...i think......then again...could be a gibson...cant quite remember

 

[TheMofoFly]

bono uses his gretch on one, i think edge uses a les paul custom.

btw you should check out u2sound-forum.com an absoulutley gr8 resource for any musician who wants that u2 sound!!

 

[bfoster88]

cheers...i shall take a butchers