DaveC
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you can miss something mind blowing while you have your member in your hand.
I'm just gonna leave this quote here and let it work its own magic.
you can miss something mind blowing while you have your member in your hand.
This is the breakdown as I see it:
Intro
"See the stone set..." - 1st Verse
"With or without you, with or without you" - 1st Semi-Chorus
"Through the storm we reach..." - 2nd Verse
"With or with you, with or without you....i can't live...etc" - 1st Full length chorus
"And you give" - Bridge 1
"My hands are tied" - Bridge 2
"And you give" - Bridge 1 repeat
(although you can just call all the bridges "The Bridge")
"With or without you...etc" - 2nd full length chorus
"Oooooooo" Vocal solo
"With or Without you...etc" - 3rd full length chorus
Guitar solo outro
Verdict? There is cleary a chorus that gets repeated at least 3 times. 4 if you count the semi-chorus.
This is correct. To say WOWY has no chorus at all is either being willfully ignorant, or a fucking stupid thing to say, regardless if it's said by Adam, Lanois, Guy Oseary or the fucking Pope.
This is the breakdown as I see it:
Intro
"See the stone set..." - 1st Verse
"With or without you, with or without you" - 1st Semi-Chorus
"Through the storm we reach..." - 2nd Verse
"With or with you, with or without you....i can't live...etc" - 1st Full length chorus
"And you give" - Bridge 1
"My hands are tied" - Bridge 2
"And you give" - Pre-chorus repeat
(although you can just call all the bridges "The Bridge")
"With or without you...etc" - 2nd full length chorus
"Oooooooo" Vocal solo
"With or Without you...etc" - 3rd full length chorus
Guitar solo outro
Verdict? There is cleary a chorus that gets repeated at least 3 times. 4 if you count the semi-chorus.
This is correct. To say WOWY has no chorus at all is either being willfully ignorant, or a fucking stupid thing to say, regardless if it's said by Adam, Lanois, Guy Oseary or the fucking Pope.
This is correct. To say WOWY has no chorus at all is either being willfully ignorant, or a fucking stupid thing to say, regardless if it's said by Adam, Lanois, Guy Oseary or the fucking Pope.
It's pretty sad that the Lanois hater crowd is reduced to straw men in accusing people of saying "stupid things" they never said and/or calling Lanois "fucking nuts."
(sigh)
Straw men? You've created a whole "hater crowd" out of thin air because they don't take his quote ultra-literal like you... talk about sad.
Where did I take his quote "ultra-literally"? I just posted the quote...I made no comment on it, literally or otherwise. Another straw man.
And, LOL...yeah...saying Lanois doesn't know WTF he's talking about or is "fucking nuts" or that all his work sounds like Running to Stand Still rewrites or that you can't hear his influence on Achtung Baby (all of which have been said the past few days) is really just showing the love.
No one said Lanois is "fucking nuts", you're twisting as usual because Dave was not talking about Lanois quote.
I think WOWY's very long bridge (or middle 8, whatever) makes the song seem a lot more unconventional than it really is. Take away that bridge, add a 3rd verse instead, that song becomes very very traditional.
I didn't say Dave called Lanois "fucking nuts".
I think you might want to go back and check the record. The discussion was whether WOWY had a chorus...I (naively, as it turns out) thought that a quote from the producer of the record might be pertinent to the conversation. I didn't characterise Danny's quote as saying WOWY does or doesn't have chorus. I merely said that as the producer his thoughts are somewhat authoritive on the subject. That caused a couple people to read into what they wanted into it and proceed to melt down (because they thought it differed from whatever they'd already decided about the song). I don't think I ever said "Danny Lanois claims that WOWY has no chorus at all"...though I certainly believe it doesn't have "traditional" chorus such as you'd find in a typical pop song.
Well, of course. Then it's a different song...a more traditional song, as you point out. But that's not how the song is.
Well, of course. Then it's a different song...a more traditional song, as you point out. But that's not how the song is.
He knows that. Obviously.
I understand, I've seen Pearl Jam 25 times. Its just that the song is not played the same every night, McCready changes up his solo nightly and you can miss something mind blowing while you have your member in your hand.
Straw men? You've created a whole "hater crowd" out of thin air because they don't take his quote ultra-literal like you... talk about sad.
Well I only saw one "fucking nuts",
The other co-host then mentioned how she went to Pearl Jam last year, took time off to go there early, and came out only think "meh" when she saw them. Apparently, she wasn't too familiar with their material outside of the popular stuff and couldn't get into the show too much as a result. I'm paraphrasing here, but she went as far as to say, "I would think that they would play at least 'Jeremy.'"
So yeah, there was the flip side of the coin there...
I have absolutely zero hate for Daniel Lanois. There's no conspiracy here. On the contrary, he's an artist who has helped U2 and other bands create some of the most beautiful music I've ever heard. I can't speak for his solo stuff because I haven't heard it, but my opinion is far from "Lanois hater". I'm a fan of a large amount of his production work and completely ambivalent about his personal music or him as a human.
I think he is completely and utterly wrong on this, but people are allowed to be wrong in their interpretations of things.
You don't need to create conspiracy where none exists. That's how we ended up with fucking nutjobs (and yeah I have no issue calling these people crazy) like 9/11 truthers and the people who insist Obama was born in the jungle in Kenya and is secretly living out the plot to the first season of Homeland.
Disagreeing with Lanois doesn't make me a hater. We can consider him to be wrong about something and not give a flying fuck about anything else to do with him or take any of that into consideration. I can disagree with someone who shows up on this forum saying Sunday Bloody Sunday is really about Ali's uterus, think they're completely and horribly wrong, and it doesn't mean I hate them. I don't know why you would think so. Things in this world are not strictly binary.
When you see it in that sense, it actually does follow a fairly standard verse/pre/chorus/verse/pre/chorus/bridge/chorus format. How anyone ever thought this wasn't a pretty typical song from a structure standpoint is beyond me. The subject matter and how much of an anti-typical love song ballad is what sets it apart, imo.
Trying to force-fit that song into some formula only to prove that Lanois/Nick are wrong is dubious at best.
Standard would be one bridge, chord changes, and in most cases no pre-choruses at all.
WOWY is a beautiful, wonderful song.
Can we all agree on that?
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WOWY is a beautiful, wonderful song.
Can we all agree on that?