The Club Album - Will.I.Am

[gvox]

I was thinking about the comments wondering "gee, what does Larry think about all of this?"

You know, if Mr. I. Am. is indeed producing, then Larry is obviously on board with it. Which means that he probably knows something that we don't .... like that the music they're making is nothing like our worst assumptions and (gasp) will still sound like a U2 record.

Where does this notion about Larry's musical tastes come from? It's been repeated a million times here, usually some variation of "Larry hates hip hop", "Larry hates dance music", "Larry hates rnb" or whatever..but is there anything that he's actually said or done to give any indication that this is remotely true?

This IS the guy that worked on the Mission Impossible soundtrack and I don't think Bono twisted his arm to do that. His beats are frequently not straight ahead rock, take a listen to some of the songs from 1991 onward especially, there's plenty of beats that sound heavily influenced by hiphop, soul, dance, etc.

It's one of the biggest "U2 myths" that always get repeated, that and the one that says he's a meanie or has a sour personality. Bullshit.

 

[Steved1998]

I'm somewhat into trance music, and some of the songs are really layered and atmospheric with a good beat. Not at all like the oonts type crap although I understand there are big differences between trance and the real clubby shit. Maybe the Will.I.Am songs will sound more like the Jacknife Lee remix of Vertigo (which I like) or maybe they'll be real poppy sounding. I'm really interested in hearing what he does with the band.

 

[U2387]

Where does this notion about Larry's musical tastes come from? It's been repeated a million times here, usually some variation of "Larry hates hip hop", "Larry hates dance music", "Larry hates rnb" or whatever..but is there anything that he's actually said or done to give any indication that this is remotely true?

This IS the guy that worked on the Mission Impossible soundtrack and I don't think Bono twisted his arm to do that. His beats are frequently not straight ahead rock, take a listen to some of the songs from 1991 onward especially, there's plenty of beats that sound heavily influenced by hiphop, soul, dance, etc.

It's one of the biggest "U2 myths" that always get repeated, that and the one that says he's a meanie or has a sour personality. Bullshit.

This

The only evidence I have ever seen suggests what you are saying.

There was an interview around the ATYCLB promo era where they were asked about the "back to basics" "classic coke" whatever you want to call it approach they were taking.

Bono, Adam and Edge all said some variation of " this is where we are at now, we like the songs, we're going to connect with the audience...........etc"

Larry, before saying similar things, went out of his way to make very clear that Zooropa, Passengers and Pop were works they were very proud of and happy to have made.

As for the personality, people equate reserved with mean or cold, I guess. I met all 4 briefly on the NLOTH promo tour and Larry's pleasant demeanor stood out even among a band and crew who are all first class, down to earth people.

 

[ACHTUNGTREE91]

^ exactly what you said. i saw the guys during the last promo tour, and Larry was the only one willing to take a picture with me and my friends.. granted he said he wasn't signing anything.. but still! He's a chill guy.

 

[Sicy]

What the lyrics for the will.i.am-produced album will sound like:

I tied myself with wire
To let the horses roam free
Playing with the fire
Until the fire played with me

The stone was semi-precious
We were barely conscious
Two souls too smart to be
In the realm of certainty
Even on our wedding day

We set ourselves on fire
Oh God, do not deny her
It's not if I believe in love
If love believes in me
Oh, believe in me...

DIRTY BIT
*OONTS OONTS OONTS OONTS*

 

[coolian2]

Yeah, you're probably right. Personally, I'm guessing it'll sound a bit like the first part of Pop - very much a "U2 album," but with some electronic sounds integrated into the mix.

which is also quite similar to what we got in no line on the horizon, just with a fresher arrangement, to be honest.

 

[Niceman]

This thread so crazy!!!! lol.

It's like watching a bunch of psychics get together and debate what the future will be. You don't know. Your educated guesses aren't half as educated as you think.

We don't know what they do. With some luck it will start happening soon.

 

[corianderstem]

I was more playing on the trope that Larry is the one that seems most likely to bring them back down to earth and call a shitty idea a shitty idea.

But whatever. I still think my comment is sensible.

 

[shart1780]

I can't say for sure it will suck, but usually a collaboration with one of the worst artists in the business doesn't lead to good music.

 

[AEON]

I can't say for sure it will suck, but usually a collaboration with one of the worst artists in the business doesn't lead to good music.

this is funny

 

[Muldfeld]

I can't say for sure it will suck, but usually a collaboration with one of the worst artists in the business doesn't lead to good music.

This is also very true. I CAN'T STAND The Black Eyed Peas. Will I. Am is just not a very smart guy. He could be a very nice guy, but he's not very sophisticated with all that Obama cheer-leading, fascistic tripe. Honestly, Diddy's "Vote or Die" slogan made more sense to me.

While I did prefer "Crazy" to a lot of the songs on NLOTH, I'm still not happy with U2 aiming for the charts so self-consciously by picking poppy folks. It could turn out like Justin Timberlake producing the last Duran Duran album.

More and more, U2 reminds me of Obama, constantly trying to be popular and appease the mainstream media, while attacking purists (leftists or true music lovers and not just fist thumping trend-suckers) for being too into abstract ideas. They both take compromise too far.

U2 should hang out with Ralph Nader or at least Jimmy Carter and give that piece of crap corporate sell-out Bill Clinton the boot. 8 wasted years.

 

[coolian2]

you're so delightfully mad, muldy.

 

[U2girl]

They aren't at the moment. But they surely will.

You're telling me they'll find 10 or more "club" sounding songs for its own project? This from a band that needed a solid 2+ years with two primary producers (also with additional producers as well) to produce what amounted to about 15 songs in the end.

or on NLOTH, they had two primary producers, (with additional exploratory work with a third) and close to two more years in the studio to produce about the same amount of songs...

And now we suddenly believe that U2 is prolific...because why?
Because they say they are? Because they want to be?

U2 is all of sudden going to trust the ears of these three 'young guns' to turn lose of more than an album worth of material? When it takes them YEARS to produce a single album working in the BIGGEST COMFORT ZONE imaginable (Eno/Lanois)?

Look, I hope you're right. But some of you should know better...

They surely will ?

We don't know how many songs they have with Will.I.Am. 12 was the number mentioned for the Danger Mouse album and I remember reading about 24 for ATYCLB/Bomb before they pick out the 11 to go on the album. (+ the B-sides)

NLOTH ? 12 songs for SOA, so it was more than 15, and this doesn't include the 6 mentioned for Rubin stuff.

*We* believe they are working on two projects now. Not because they say so but because we have 2 specific producers named, and confirmed two types of sessions going on. The oonts oonts album (David Guetta, Red One and Will.I.Am) and the Danger Mouse album, described as a rock album by that Rolling Stone article. One of them - presumably DM one as they said the songs were coming quickly - according to McGuiness, only needs the finishing touches Down Under while they're touring.

The other "logic" alternatives presented are a) Will.I.Am taking over from Danger Mouse, with no confirmation whatsoever, b) Danger Mouse, SOA, oonts oonts all thrown together. And the Spiderman songs, for good measure. This from a band that has, with the exceptions of two times, worked consistently with ONE producer for any ONE given project because it has continued to provide consistent sounding records/albums.

Really ?

 

[BVS]

This is also very true. I CAN'T STAND The Black Eyed Peas. Will I. Am is just not a very smart guy. He could be a very nice guy, but he's not very sophisticated with all that Obama cheer-leading, fascistic tripe. Honestly, Diddy's "Vote or Die" slogan made more sense to me.

While I did prefer "Crazy" to a lot of the songs on NLOTH, I'm still not happy with U2 aiming for the charts so self-consciously by picking poppy folks. It could turn out like Justin Timberlake producing the last Duran Duran album.

More and more, U2 reminds me of Obama, constantly trying to be popular and appease the mainstream media, while attacking purists (leftists or true music lovers and not just fist thumping trend-suckers) for being too into abstract ideas. They both take compromise too far.

U2 should hang out with Ralph Nader or at least Jimmy Carter and give that piece of crap corporate sell-out Bill Clinton the boot. 8 wasted years.

This is pure gold.

Politically and musically uninsightful

 

[purpleoscar]

This is also very true. I CAN'T STAND The Black Eyed Peas. Will I. Am is just not a very smart guy. He could be a very nice guy, but he's not very sophisticated with all that Obama cheer-leading, fascistic tripe. Honestly, Diddy's "Vote or Die" slogan made more sense to me.

While I did prefer "Crazy" to a lot of the songs on NLOTH, I'm still not happy with U2 aiming for the charts so self-consciously by picking poppy folks. It could turn out like Justin Timberlake producing the last Duran Duran album.

More and more, U2 reminds me of Obama, constantly trying to be popular and appease the mainstream media, while attacking purists (leftists or true music lovers and not just fist thumping trend-suckers) for being too into abstract ideas. They both take compromise too far.

U2 should hang out with Ralph Nader or at least Jimmy Carter and give that piece of crap corporate sell-out Bill Clinton the boot. 8 wasted years.

Talk about a prescription of irrelevancy and failure. "Purists" and "true music lovers" don't have to be socialists.

 

[nirniva]

This is also very true. I CAN'T STAND The Black Eyed Peas. Will I. Am is just not a very smart guy. He could be a very nice guy, but he's not very sophisticated with all that Obama cheer-leading, fascistic tripe. Honestly, Diddy's "Vote or Die" slogan made more sense to me.

While I did prefer "Crazy" to a lot of the songs on NLOTH, I'm still not happy with U2 aiming for the charts so self-consciously by picking poppy folks. It could turn out like Justin Timberlake producing the last Duran Duran album.

More and more, U2 reminds me of Obama, constantly trying to be popular and appease the mainstream media, while attacking purists (leftists or true music lovers and not just fist thumping trend-suckers) for being too into abstract ideas. They both take compromise too far.

U2 should hang out with Ralph Nader or at least Jimmy Carter and give that piece of crap corporate sell-out Bill Clinton the boot. 8 wasted years.

Today, we learn that music and politics are basically the same thing.

 

[Galeongirl]

This thread.

 

[purpleoscar]

Today, we learn that music and politics are basically the same thing.

Hey Mudfeld! Coexist!

 

[JUSTinPUSHPLAY]

This is also very true. I CAN'T STAND The Black Eyed Peas. Will I. Am is just not a very smart guy. He could be a very nice guy, but he's not very sophisticated with all that Obama cheer-leading, fascistic tripe. Honestly, Diddy's "Vote or Die" slogan made more sense to me.

While I did prefer "Crazy" to a lot of the songs on NLOTH, I'm still not happy with U2 aiming for the charts so self-consciously by picking poppy folks. It could turn out like Justin Timberlake producing the last Duran Duran album.

More and more, U2 reminds me of Obama, constantly trying to be popular and appease the mainstream media, while attacking purists (leftists or true music lovers and not just fist thumping trend-suckers) for being too into abstract ideas. They both take compromise too far.

U2 should hang out with Ralph Nader or at least Jimmy Carter and give that piece of crap corporate sell-out Bill Clinton the boot. 8 wasted years.

I Don't uh..I Don't Like You

 

[corianderstem]

Oops. Edited because I was wrong!

 

[shart1780]

This is also very true. I CAN'T STAND The Black Eyed Peas. Will I. Am is just not a very smart guy. He could be a very nice guy, but he's not very sophisticated with all that Obama cheer-leading, fascistic tripe. Honestly, Diddy's "Vote or Die" slogan made more sense to me.

While I did prefer "Crazy" to a lot of the songs on NLOTH, I'm still not happy with U2 aiming for the charts so self-consciously by picking poppy folks. It could turn out like Justin Timberlake producing the last Duran Duran album.

More and more, U2 reminds me of Obama, constantly trying to be popular and appease the mainstream media, while attacking purists (leftists or true music lovers and not just fist thumping trend-suckers) for being too into abstract ideas. They both take compromise too far.

U2 should hang out with Ralph Nader or at least Jimmy Carter and give that piece of crap corporate sell-out Bill Clinton the boot. 8 wasted years.

I guess... but I was thinking it's becaue his music sucks.

 

[nirniva]

This thread.

.

 

[DoctorGonzo]

I think they need to focus on writing great albums first for fans. Come on NLOTH, Magnificent, MOS, Breathe, CT are great songs and as a fan that is all I want. In the 80's they did not sound like a 80's band, in the 90's they again with AB to Pop did not sound like your 90's band - these sounds influenced a generation of current bands now U2 want to fit into the mould of Lady GaGa. Even in the 00's they were making rock albums when very few were and I think pretty good albums with some great songs. If you now have nothing to say just quit and leave the legacy before you are remember as the wannabe band that tried to recapture the past. 360 is big sure but I want more talk of the band not the stage. And this save the world thing has got out of hand and taken away from the band, do good for the world sure, but I want great music not photo's of Bono with world leaders. Desmond Tutu, men in spaceships etc is too similar to ZooTV. Wish they would stop looking at every little detail, make music because it feels right, it appears releasing a album these days is getting harder and harder to do, so maybe it is time to stop making them if it takes 5 years to make one and then you are still not happy with it because it only moved 5m units - are you happy with the music or the sales? does lots of sales mean that the music was good - if this is true them Lady GaGa would be considered better than U2. Finally what is this do not forget us routine at the end of concerts - no one will forget you, what are you begging for? But make sure you are not remembered as the band that had nothing left to say but kept saying it anyway. I am 40yrs old and followed U2 for 25yrs but this is how I see it.

This is some amazing stream of consciousness posting.

 

[MMP]

This is also very true. I CAN'T STAND The Black Eyed Peas. Will I. Am is just not a very smart guy. He could be a very nice guy, but he's not very sophisticated with all that Obama cheer-leading, fascistic tripe. Honestly, Diddy's "Vote or Die" slogan made more sense to me.

While I did prefer "Crazy" to a lot of the songs on NLOTH, I'm still not happy with U2 aiming for the charts so self-consciously by picking poppy folks. It could turn out like Justin Timberlake producing the last Duran Duran album.

More and more, U2 reminds me of Obama, constantly trying to be popular and appease the mainstream media, while attacking purists (leftists or true music lovers and not just fist thumping trend-suckers) for being too into abstract ideas. They both take compromise too far.

U2 should hang out with Ralph Nader or at least Jimmy Carter and give that piece of crap corporate sell-out Bill Clinton the boot. 8 wasted years.

It's been two years that I don't visit Interference regurlary. In one of those rare days I come around, I see this...

 

[MMP]

You know, sometimes, I like to do that thing... that little thing called... what's the name again...




Oh, it's called thinking! Once in a while it's good to do it. Just a little y'know? Exercise it a little.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

And Muldy delivers again ...

Where would the forum be without you?

 

[coolian2]

Where would the forum be without you?

probably a bit lower on the wtf did i just read scale.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

probably a bit lower on the wtf did i just read scale.

Touche.

 

[Inner El Guapo]

*We* believe they are working on two projects now. Not because they say so but because we have 2 specific producers named, and confirmed two types of sessions going on.

.So let's get this straight...you believe they are working on two separate projects "not because they say so" but because there are two producers named and two types of sessions confirmed?

So "named" and "confirmed" isn't the same thing as "saying so"...right.
Named by whom? remember..."not because they say so"

Check out Will.I.Am's twitter...I'm not sure he's mentioned U2 once recently.
Not that I've seen...went all the way back to Oct 8th and couldn't read it anymore...looks like he's talking about ANYTHING but U2. So we have a tabloid report suggesting he's producing a new U2 album...with silly quotes about celebrities. Is this your "confirmation"?

For as much drivel as he's got on there...you'd think maybe working in such a manner with the biggest band in the world might get a simple mention. But hey, this ain't no official 'confirmation' like The Sun! (FYI, a tabloid)

Also check David GUetta and ReOne...crickets...I concede it is entirely possible they are being tight lipped...I just want to know where this "confirmation" is and where they've been "named" other than coming from U2's collective pieholes.

The other "logic" alternatives presented are a) Will.I.Am taking over from Danger Mouse, with no confirmation whatsoever, b) Danger Mouse, SOA, oonts oonts all thrown together. And the Spiderman songs, for good measure. This from a band that has, with the exceptions of two times, worked consistently with ONE producer for any ONE given project because it has continued to provide consistent sounding records/albums.

The Spiderman songs aren't U2 songs. I wouldn't expect them to bleed over.

Yes...working with ONE producer just like HTDAAB, which used several...hell, just try the last FOUR albums.

Flood and Howie B... 1 + 1 = 1
Lanois and Eno, twice...1 + 1 = 1
Lillywhite + Hooper + Jacknife + Chris Thomas = 1

Really shooting my opinion to pieces, I tells ya...

Let's quote Rolling Stone where this idea originally came from.
Emphasis on the bold.

There are also a lot of [new songs]: four new albums' worth. In addition to Songs of Ascent -- a second set of tracks from the No Line sessions -- and Bono and the Edge's score for the Spider-Man musical (finally set to open on Broadway on December 21st), U2 are working on a "rock album," as Bono puts it, "and a club-sounding album." He expects U2 will release a new record, drawn from that body of songs, in time for their return to North America next year. "That's going to be great. Those people are going to have tickets to a whole new show with new songs."

Yeah...this is where multiple projects are named...and it still says that will release an album drawn from "that body of songs"...shall we be selective for what is "named" and "confirmed"?

Still the point is...this is what they are saying..what and where exactly is "confirmation" and these projects "named" from original sources that don't stem from the band? Speaking of "logic"...not too sound right there.

And the money man said this a few weeks ago...
"We are trying very hard to use this time in New Zealand and Australia to finish an album that will be released in the spring. It's not so much recording as editing and polishing up lyrics and trying to getting it done by the date it needs to be delivered to the record company for release in May. It's sounding great: lots of hits."

"An album"...that is not plural my dear...

 

[U2girl]

Yes, two producers were confirmed, as well as two types of sessions.

Did you miss all the recent excitment, directly from Will.I.Am saying he's working with U2 ? How much of a better source do you want ?
Guetta (actually also talked about Bono and working with U2 in an article in a local magazine, published this Wednesday..) and RedOne were in the article...same one that mentioned Will.I.Am before he said anything. The oonts oonts album.

I don't expect Spiderman either. Though I don't doubt Bono will try to push it as much as possible to Adam/Larry.

HTDAAB being one exception, along with Pop. And even with Nelle Hopper sessions, I don't think they had as much as with Chris Thomas in 2003. And you know what I mean with having one producer for one record...Eno and Lanois work together always, don't rely on semantics.

But let's go over it again...Boy/October/War = Lillywhite. UF, JT =Eno/Lanois. Rattle and Hum = Iovine. AB = Eno/Lanois. Zooropa = Eno/Edge/Flood. Pop= Howie B/Flood, previously Nelle Hopper. ATYCLB = Eno/Lanois. HTDAAB = Lillywhite along with Jacknife Lee, previously Chris Thomas. NLOTH = Eno/Lanois. Danger Mouse = LP 13. Will.I.Am/Guetta/Red One = dance album.

Notice the pattern of sticking with the chosen producer all but twice in their career ?

The first bolded article is a few months old. It doesn't look like they will draw from multiple projects because they named, again, different producers for different records. And yes, an album. No one said they will have more than one by the US tour dates. We are saying they have more than one album in the works currently...

edit: Danger Mouse is the one that is tight-lipped, not wanting to talk about the work with U2. For now anyway.