Exactly.
Reads like something that will be interspersed within a North American tour
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Reads like something that will be interspersed within a North American tour
Sting and Usher are at Caesars.
Silk Sonic and Lady Gaga are currently at Park MGM.
Katy Perry, Carrie Underwood are at Resorts World.
John Legend and Pitbull are at Planet Hollywood.
Vegas isn't Robert Goulet, Donnie and Marie and Wayne Newton anymore (and hasn't been for some time).
Yes, that's light on "rock" artists, aside from Sting.
We're not talking about a 5,000 seat theater here - it's a 20,000 seat technological marvel.
And oh by the way they're building another one in London, where I'm sure U2 will also play. I doubt the "ehrmagad bourner sed that Vegas wuz fer old loonge zingers un ZeuuTeeVee" crowd wouldn't have the same response if it was the London one opening first.
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Oh I think it’ll be cool as fuck, but the messaging could be, well… they haven’t earned the benefit of the doubt from me on that front, and that’s what the press/Twittersphere will pounce on. Perception is reality.
The reality also is that U2 certainly have a lifetime pass on the production front, *no one* can discount that, which is what they should be leaning on here. The most innovate live act in rock is going to play the most technologically advanced venue in the world. (And they’ll get it together faster than Adele.)
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New U2songs article aggregating this stuff: u2songs | U2 Tour Rumours 2023 |
Of note:
- Vegas residency probs from November 2023
- Songs of Surrender announcement in the coming weeks
- tour plans signed off by the band last week to begin in stadiums in Europe in June 2023
- new album wrapped in California earlier this year, pretty solidly set for March 2023
- tour announcement due with new album, not SOS
More about the MSG sphere here -
Of note:
- Vegas residency probs from November 2023
- Songs of Surrender announcement in the coming weeks
- tour plans signed off by the band last week to begin in stadiums in Europe in June 2023
- new album wrapped in California earlier this year, pretty solidly set for March 2023
- tour announcement due with new album, not SOS
More about the MSG sphere here -
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Stadiums in Europe seems fair. I can’t see them selling US stadiums on the back of a new album without an additional hook (New songs + mix of full albums, and etc) so expecting arenas, maybe in mini residency format like I+e
Indeed.
I just don't think the idea of playing Vegas is something that acts need to message delicately anymore, other than, like, their own aging fan base perhaps.
Major acts playing a residency in Vegas is normal for the youngs.
The MSG Sphere has no set open date yet other than 2023. The November date is only mentioned because the venue is supposed to play a part in the F1 race in Vegas, which will take place for the first time in November 23. It's entirely possible that the venue opens before that date.
A replica of the building is already open in Burbank. They're using it to test ideas for the one in Vegas and eventually London
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...g-sphere-studios-opens-in-burbank-1235148530/
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...g-sphere-studios-opens-in-burbank-1235148530/
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As a long time Raiders fan on the East Coast this gives me another reason to go to Vegas. U2 concert Friday. Raiders game Sunday. That’s bucket list shit right there.
I dunno...this arena sounds like a good place to plot and execute AB30. Let Willie Williams go to town and outdo zootv
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This is what I was thinking. Considering how often they thump that ROCK/PUNK tub, it's not exactly a location known for its authenticity in that regard.
Obviously I don't need our resident company man to tell me all the big pop acts that play in Vegas.
If the new album turns out to be their Abbey Road, then whatever, all bets are off. But if it's another rotating producer bouillabaisse with cringy reaches for radio play, this move is just going to open them up to additional criticism of being completely out of touch now that they're in their 60s, regardless of the bells and whistles of one specific venue.
And as you said, putting a positive spin on this assumes that their PR team would actually make smart moves in promoting this, which we know isn't likely. It will be Bono fist-bumping James Dolan on live TV or something as they announce it together.
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The more the songs have been played, the deader and less inspiring they sound from “One” on down in the play count. Best part of Joshua Tree’s 11 songs was Tracks 6-11 because they breathed mew life into them, rest was just performed worse than the tour before that and the tour before that…I’d be more into the full album idea if this was like 10 years ago but this band has really been showing its aches and pains on recent tours. Sitting through a predictable 12 song run through Achtung Baby might be real bleh even if the visuals are nice.
I'm just an arrogant sonofabitch who never insults U2 when I'm not working part time for the Las Vegas tourism board.
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I honestly believe, 100% that the last two records really dampened demand for their respective tours…and why wouldn’t they? Like why the fuck would I be happy hearing 6-8 songs from a record I thought had no creative value whasoever (SOE)? It’s exacerbated further by me going to like 100 shows and multiple festivals this year, watching countless artists at the top of their game tour one of their best albums. Those that treat U2 as a religion are lenient and excited to hear Bono’s voice again but anybody else rightfully just tosses the record into the trash after giving it a spin. Nobody with a straight face who listens to a lot of music can argue that the Songs Of LPs were among the 100 best of a given year. It’s an absurd claim that just tells me you barely listen to any new music.
So, yeah, whatever this latest album disaster is likely to be, it will surely dampen demand quite a bit. I’m not sure why they even bother. Go do a Vegas residency with just cuts from the beginning through, say, Bomb and announce there will be at least two different sets (Red Night, Blue Night) all with the latest in audio/visual technology. Multiple sets would be a better draw for fans around the world coming out to Vegas imo.
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Isn’t this just them recording in the studio the Joshua Tree Tour versions were the lyrics to half the songs were changed to “Trump Bad Man”?
Maybe there will be a follow up where they complain about President AOC trying to heavily tax their Vegas windfall?
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Friends of mine went to the JT Tour absolutely loved it. Went to SOE tour and absolutely hated it. It was new music and Achtung Baby heavy and I feel like there’s a strong camp that does not like U2 at all after Rattle and Hum. So I can see where you’re coming from with old versus new with concert goers who especially want pre ‘90s U2.
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I don’t think Achtung Baby heavy is an issue. When it’s basically represented by the awful live song that is One and a moldy new reinterpretation of Acrobat, you’re going to have issues. I think they finally put together a decent set near the end of that tour with all those 90s cuts, nothing from SOI and a smaller amount from SOE (I think). Casuals love Mysterious Ways, Zoo Station, Until the End, etc so that 90s shit ain’t a problem, generally. Most randos I meet prefer all the 90s stuff to the 21st century, even.
The shitty new songs are what killed it. They weren’t even melodic and TRYING the way SOI was (which actually has some good songs ruined by the production). They’re just flat out boring. And opening the tour with like 12 cuts from SOI and SOE is the dumbest tour move they have ever made. People have every right to be furious.
The shitty new songs are what killed it. They weren’t even melodic and TRYING the way SOI was (which actually has some good songs ruined by the production). They’re just flat out boring. And opening the tour with like 12 cuts from SOI and SOE is the dumbest tour move they have ever made. People have every right to be furious.
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But you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Well, it was real embarrassing either way. 
There’s a much bigger picture to focus on and Trump is just an end result, not a cause. And U2 used to be aware of that.
There’s a much bigger picture to focus on and Trump is just an end result, not a cause. And U2 used to be aware of that.
Totally. He and Hillary were totally like the same thing.
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Exactly. Bono and Hillary are very similar ideologically and annoy the shit out of everyone.
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*annoy the shit out of dirtbags who don’t think right about social issues?
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Bono’s always hugging warmongers and Epstein connected billionaires, so I wouldn’t quite say he’s right about social issues. Capitalism sure as fuck ain’t the answer. Neither is the biggest war hawk in the Obama administration one to applaud on anything.
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As a self described socialist, I am certainly pragmatic enough to know that without trying to influence the rich and powerful, there is no social change. I can be a bloviating obstructionist with integrity and achieve a sum total of nothing in my life, or I can try and work with people who can move the needle a bit in the direction it needs to go.
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This was from June 2021. Shows the building topped out and the super structure largely done and in place. It certainly doesn't look like something that would still need 2.5 more years to finish.
So I again think that November 2023 date is mentioned only because it's the only event that the Sphere has committed to being a part of this far - the first Vegas F1 race.
Rolling Stone says in their article that the dates will be spread throughout 2023.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/msg-sphere-las-vegas-1235152882/
This article gives more details and only mentions "second half" of 2023.
This was from June 2021. Shows the building topped out and the super structure largely done and in place. It certainly doesn't look like something that would still need 2.5 more years to finish.
So I again think that November 2023 date is mentioned only because it's the only event that the Sphere has committed to being a part of this far - the first Vegas F1 race.
Rolling Stone says in their article that the dates will be spread throughout 2023.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/msg-sphere-las-vegas-1235152882/
This article gives more details and only mentions "second half" of 2023.
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