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Old 11-21-2020, 01:40 PM   #901
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This thread got really interesting for a while. Now it’s gone stupid.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:45 PM   #905
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This thread got really interesting for a while. Now it’s gone stupid.
So it's about time for the band to deliver something new. Next week sees the 3-year anniversary of SOE. Would be nice to get some rumours the band planning a new release, knowing that it will take at least another year for a release...
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So it's about time for the band to deliver something new. Next week sees the 3-year anniversary of SOE. Would be nice to get some rumours the band planning a new release, knowing that it will take at least another year for a release...
Even before COVID, I didn't figure we'd see a new album until late 2021 at the earliest. Now I am really wondering about late 2022. It depends on if U2 want to do an Achtung Baby tour in 2022 or not? I can see AB30 in 2022, and then an album in late 2022, and then the tour for that album in 2023-24. I don't believe U2 will play any shows in 2021... I'm not sure anybody will!!
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2021 will be another year of total hibernation. New album will be end of 2022 at the earliest. No concerts until 2023. You can still do AB 30 in 2023 since the tour went to December 1993.
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Old 11-23-2020, 11:39 AM   #908
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Something to consider:

Touring ZooTV again is a lot more complicated logistically than what they were doing with JT30, which was essentially just the one big screen. I have a hard time believing they would replicate the hanging Trabants, the multitude of various screens, etc. and take it across the U.S. and Europe, let alone the other markets in Asia, South America, Australia.

However, the inability of bands to mount tours in the foreseeable future presents an interesting opportunity for U2, something that has been proposed before in different guises for different album promos, and akin to what some other bands, including C*ldplay, have done before.

The internet and streaming have replaced satellite TV as our main media interfaces in this century/millennium, the old channel surfing gimmick of ZooTV is a bit outdated for most people. So why not embrace this and do a single live performance to commemorate AB and the tour, and stream it worldwide via one of the bigger services, like Netflix, HBOMax, Amazon Prime, or AppleTV+, YouTube? This way they can set up as many bells and whistles as they want to because it's a one-time only show and they won't have to lug the stuff around the world from city to city. If they really wanted to go meta, they could do it in an open stadium and park a bunch of old Trabants inside that selected fans/celebs could sit in for the safe, "drive-in" concert experience, with appropriate social distancing.

They could also find a way to make it interactive for those who watch it live, or accept requests/fan video messages in the weeks leading up to it? So maybe in-between sections of the show they could put up people's memories of the tour and album, or maybe you even have public figures/fellow artists contributing? You'd still be able to deliver a multimedia presentation that would update the original show's approach.

Just a thought. It's going to be a while before huge shows, especially ones with GA floors are going to happen again, and I imagine if U2 tours again they would want to do it with whatever new material they're working on. A livestream concert would be a brilliant move in terms of appearing vital and current with what artists are doing now, and be in keeping with the spirit of what they're commemorating.
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A bit of self respect would be decent by ditching Ryan Tedder and his rent-a-choruses and rehiring Eno - or at least somebody with a sense of artistry. Best Thing About Me, the uninspiring rent-a-chorus from The Blackout, the utter shite that is Song For Someone - that's just the surface. Never should U2 resort to such cheap and shoddy artistically bankrupt idiots like Tedder.

It's cringeworthy and downright embarrassing that they've resorted to such artistically bankrupt producers/songwriters like Tedder. Utterly embarrassing.

Bono is lyrically uninspred, with cliched platitudes all over the place on their collaborations with Tedder too. Songs of Innocence is Bono's worst effort lyrically - just really shallow. It's supposed to be autobiographical but never has something that is supposed to be intimate come off as so bland and cliched.

It's clear there's no creative muse in U2 to guide them now. Somebody like Jon Landau would point Bruce Springsteen in the direction of books and films to be inspired by. Tony Visconti would do similar with Bowie. U2 are so uninspired and that screams when they're hiring some shallow bubblegum pop stooge like Tedder.

They're just not taking it seriously enough anymore. That's fine, what we've got is more than enough with the sheer depth of greatness from them but they really do risk harming their legacy by continuing with such folly.
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Something to consider:

Touring ZooTV again is a lot more complicated logistically than what they were doing with JT30, which was essentially just the one big screen. I have a hard time believing they would replicate the hanging Trabants, the multitude of various screens, etc. and take it across the U.S. and Europe, let alone the other markets in Asia, South America, Australia.

However, the inability of bands to mount tours in the foreseeable future presents an interesting opportunity for U2, something that has been proposed before in different guises for different album promos, and akin to what some other bands, including C*ldplay, have done before.

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They could also find a way to make it interactive for those who watch it live, or accept requests/fan video messages in the weeks leading up to it? So maybe in-between sections of the show they could put up people's memories of the tour and album, or maybe you even have public figures/fellow artists contributing? You'd still be able to deliver a multimedia presentation that would update the original show's approach.

Just a thought. It's going to be a while before huge shows, especially ones with GA floors are going to happen again, and I imagine if U2 tours again they would want to do it with whatever new material they're working on. A livestream concert would be a brilliant move in terms of appearing vital and current with what artists are doing now, and be in keeping with the spirit of what they're commemorating.
I'd love this. They could integrate VR into it - having the choice of whose POV you could watch from, various vantage points throughout the venue, lots of cool ways to implement it.

Whatever real touring they have left in them, I'd like for as little of it to be nostalgic as possible. I'll save ZooTV for if/when consumer level time travel becomes a thing.
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Whatever real touring they have left in them, I'd like for as little of it to be nostalgic as possible. I'll save ZooTV for if/when consumer level time travel becomes a thing.

I think the business of U2 will alternate between nostalgia/stadium and new album/arena.

Stadiums: Easier to sell 50k+ tickets to the casual fan on the promise of hearing all their favorites. One night in each market except NY and maaaaybe LA. JTT proved one night is enough everywhere else. If there’s somehow unfulfilled demand, that’s just good hype.

Arenas: Really for the hardcore and well-heeled casuals. Personally, I’d love meaningful arena residencies with deep cut setlists (I thought the e-stage grab bag in 2015 was fun), but they’d need a competent marketing and communications team and some confidence.


This all seems SO far away right now, but a boy can dream.
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For the last touring cycle, I&E + JT 30 + E&I, they got away with hitting the major markets with both arena and stadium tours. They totally milked it, with high ticket prices as well. Will be interesting next time around whether their popularity allows for this. It might force them to create a combined new album + AB 30 show instead of having completely seperate tours for each. Not to mention they are getting old any may not be up to multiple touring cycles again.

It could diminish their appetite to bother with a new album. Instead the next tour could just be full on AB 30 without a new album at all. A bit like Roger Waters did with The Wall recently. Use modern technology to reinvent what was, in its day, innovative but which can be taken so much further today.

So I think there’s lots of possibilities. Pretty sure though it will be more condensed than the 2015 - 2019 schedule.
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I’d prepare for 2023 earliest unless the band has been secretly recording all this time.
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unless the band has been secretly recording all this time.
I'm not going to get my hopes up, but I have to believe they've done SOMETHING worthwhile towards starting the next cycle. Maybe once the dust of the ATYCLB reissue settles and the holidays pass, we'll start getting a sense of what might be coming. Maybe. Probably not.
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As much as I'd love to see a Zoo TV tour anniversary thing, I'm not sure I'd like to see a full blown tour with the concept reimagined. Part of what made those shows so special was so many things coming together at the right time like the proliferation of satellite tv, media coverage of the gulf war etc. There was also an incredibly high level of energy on stage every night where they did the new songs justice, but there was also quite a relaxed feeling to sections of the show where they seemed to let loose and really be enjoying it.

It was such a different beast to the Joshua Tree tour which lent itself quite well to an update where they played the album in full and made use of that expansive video wall backdrop. I think that while there could be a clever way of bringing the staging & concept up to date, I have a horrible feeling that the band's performance would be something very different due to their age and that it just be a bit of a poor pastiche.

Some things should just be left alone imo.

I'd love to see them do something though, a live performance of the album from start to finish that they stream? Or release all those alternate versions of tracks they recorded in Berlin? With the way the world is, maybe that would be a good opportunity to do something different to mark the occasion while not committing to a new tour or anything which I don't think is possible just now anyway given how long it takes to prep for these things.

To be fair though, they did a lot for the 25th anniversary with the documentary and the reissue, so I'm not sure what else there is to release without being a blatant cash grab. Some pro-shot shows, one from each leg? As if that would ever happen!
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Other than hearing Acrobat again, and finally witnessing Love is Blindness live, I have no interest in an Achtung Baby 30 tour. I’d much rather they just put out a new album and tour that. However, as they proved with Joshua Tree, nostalgia fills the stadiums. They wouldn’t be doing stadium shows in places like Indianapolis, Kansas City, Buffalo etc on a new album tour. That is why I think they’ll be inclined to do an AB/Zoo tour in 2022, before they do a new album tour.

The concert industry as a whole has suffered a lot this year and will continue to suffer in 2021. So by 2022, hopefully life is back to normal, and a stadium tour from U2 would really be a great shot in the arm. I do believe such a tour should go heavy on Europe. Achtung and Zooropa are more European by nature anyway, and U2 have underplayed Europe since 360. Aside from the major cities like Berlin, Amsterdam, Paris, etc. Get back to Helsinki, Vienna, Oslo, etc!
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There was a time when people used to stand up in protest the stupidity that is U2 acronyms in this place.

I miss that time.
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A ZooTV refresh in 2022 wouldn't shock me.

Heck, there's even a bumper on U2XRadio right now that includes a fan talking about what a great idea it would be.

I think after all this they're going to be itching to hit the road.

Much like all of us.
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Are you itching too? Might want to get that checked out.

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