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Old 03-27-2014, 04:25 PM   #81
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I feel strongly this way too. NLOTH had such a good foundation with Magnificent, NLOTH, MOS, Cedars, Fez, and White as Snow.

The middle three just stick out like a thorn, as if they belonged on HTDAAB or something. MOS is an extremely powerful song, but their decision to keep it vanilla instead of refining things such as the chorus (and length) seems to hurt it. That album is a masterpiece dragged down by a few mistakes (and inconsistencies).
If 'Winter' had replaced 'Stand Up'....that alone would have made it a near masterpiece. Poor Brian Eno. I can understand his frustration.
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If 'Winter' had replaced 'Stand Up'....that alone would have made it a near masterpiece. Poor Brian Eno. I can understand his frustration.
Haha, exactly. The band was probably being self-conscious and felt they need a 'rock' number, and Brian Eno is probably banging his head on the keyboard.
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Is "Winter" regarded as such a lost classic around here simply because it was left off the album? It's nothing special. I'm glad Eno threw those strings to Coldplay. Do I prefer it to Stand Up Comedy, sure, but that's like preferring a black eye to a broken nose.
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Is "Winter" regarded as such a lost classic around here simply because it was left off the album? It's nothing special. I'm glad Eno threw those strings to Coldplay. Do I prefer it to Stand Up Comedy, sure, but that's like preferring a black eye to a broken nose.
From my perspective, Winter would contribute to the overall theme of the album better than Standup Comedy, and therefore wouldn't hurt the album's consistency. I don't think it is a classic.
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Is "Winter" regarded as such a lost classic around here simply because it was left off the album? It's nothing special. I'm glad Eno threw those strings to Coldplay. Do I prefer it to Stand Up Comedy, sure, but that's like preferring a black eye to a broken nose.
I disagree. YouTube is a place where haters usually love to feast, but even they are nowhere to be found in the comments for 'Winter'. The opening lyrics are like something out of The Joshua Tree. Very cinematic:

The yellow sun
Well, it took the hand
Of a country boy
To a city in a far-off land

We made no mark
No shadow at all
On the ancient, holy streets
Where I learned to crawl

The broken and the bruised
The young and the used
The sure and confused
All here...


And then of course the bittersweet chorus...and not to mention the "helicopter" ending.

I agree with Brian Eno on this one. The original version of 'Winter' is indeed hauntingly beautiful.
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From my perspective, Winter would contribute to the overall theme of the album better than Standup Comedy, and therefore wouldn't hurt the album's consistency. I don't think it is a classic.
Exactly right. The sound and feel of the song fits the album much more than a 'Stand Up Comedy'. That album needed a deeper story to weave itself together. That's why 'Winter' would have been the perfect fit.
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I could care less about youtube haters. I just don't think the song's that interesting.
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I could care less about youtube haters. I just don't think the song's that interesting.
And you have the right to your opinion. Most would, however, disagree with that particular opinion. Is it a "classic"? No. Is it interesting? Most would say yes. Is it a better fit than at least 3 songs on that album? Yes, for sure it is.
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And you have the right to your opinion. Most would, however, disagree with that particular opinion. Is it a "classic"? No. Is it interesting? Most would say yes. Is it a better fit than at least 3 songs on that album? Yes, for sure it is.
Winter sounds like it's trying to tell me something deep as opposed to just showing me. That's my main criticism of it. Take Bullet the Blue Sky, for instance. Everything about it takes me to the heart of the situation. It places me in the middle of the crisis. Winter is like a Bruce Springsteen song (I'm not a huge fan of da boss) in that it's trying to relate to me too much on a human level. It's trying to wrap it all up nicely with some moral explanation. Forget all that, just show me what's happening.
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u2 needs to go back and listen to their own music.. this is easly better than anything they have put out in the past 14 years and its not even one of their hit songs like streets or one...
Love this track so much.

I just want to hear something that sounds like a band playing music in a room. Scale back the production, include takes that aren't 100% perfect and have some bum notes here and there, that's what gives music character. Moment of Surrender had some of this and I absolutely love it for it, especially knowing the story of how it came together. That's the magic of U2, the gems that come out of the noise of just banging it out. Yes there is room for great production to really get something right and U2 has been the beneficiary of that many times, (Streets, for example) but there is also something magical about stripping things back and letting the boys just hammer something out and calling it good.

There's a place for both, I personally would love to hear some of that more raw stuff we used to get quite a bit of.
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Love this track so much.

I just want to hear something that sounds like a band playing music in a room.
this.

its been too long since we had an album filled with songs that sounded like the band was actually playing them.

there were some recent comments surrounding the new album - was it from the Billboard article? - about the band wanting to work out the best arrangements prior to going on the road.. unlike in albums past. these gave me much hope

but then Invisible doesn't really sound like the band playing..
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but then Invisible doesn't really sound like the band playing..



They may have realized this, and this is why we didn't get an April album.

Maybe the DM stuff was simply too far out to be reproducible live. Weren't there reports that the album was *very* different (for U2)?

Notice they have done OL acoustic and the one performance of Invisible was almost played along to a backing track.

It may be as simple as that.
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As much as I don't like the middle 3 or 4 songs on the album, I don't think Winter would have made things that much better. I find Winter to be a pretty unremarkable boring song.
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