I met Brian Eno today and...

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If Eno says it is devastatingly brilliant I really believe it will be incredible. On the other hand, if Bono had said this I personally would wait till I heard the record myself. I think HTDAAB is pretty good with some very good songs (I think that the bonustrack fast cars is fabulous) but not devastatingly brilliant like Achtung Baby or the Joshua Tree.
 
Screw the album. You should have asked him about his gigantic collection of Asian porn. Chrissie Hynde knows what I'm talking about.
 
dabiggestu2fan said:
Yep indeed!!!!:up: I still don't believe it will be another AB or JT in terms of status but this could be yet another re-invention that will define U2 again. I don't think it will be ATYCLB PT3 nor AB pt 2 or JT pt 2. This will be different and undoubtly some people may hate it and some will love it. Only time will tell but I am ready for a different U2 despite the fact that i love both ATYCLB and HTDAAB!
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Agreed. What's brilliant to him is usually a very different animal to most people.
 
mmm... devastating porn

th_aHomerDrooling.jpg
 
quiv said:
Read this. Everything will be clear...

In a semi-transparent way
where everything is almost
black and white...
..but not quite.
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Wonderful. :wink:

Btw, great avatar quiv.... Goodfellas: best movie ever.

EDIT: This part is interesting:

"I've always been interested in the idea of what I call systems art/systems music', which is where you think first of all of your activity as a system which must be intact and interesting - and you think of the artwork which also must be interesting - and you think of the listener as a system which must be interesting too. So you must work on all these levels. "That's why I don't like the idea of spending months and years recording, because essentially, that isn't an interesting process to me."
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Maybe he changed with time... I hope.
 
That really was quite a bit I didn't want to know.

I hope the old bald version of Brian Eno is less... experimental.
 
Val said:
:eek: God, why did I have to be so nosy! I'd much rather not know.
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And 20 years later you have "Baby Face".

Isn't it wonderful?

Watch Lanois DVD "Here Is What Is"

Lanois and Eno are part of the band. Their contributions are as equal as Adam's.

I think Adam's contributions are as valid as any member, but for the non-musician types who dont analyze bass parts; I'm just trying to provide a scale of Eno and Lanois within this band.

They are part of the band. (when they want to be)
 
quiv said:
Lanois and Eno are part of the band. Their contributions are as equal as Adam's.

I think Adam's contributions are as valid as any member, but for the non-musician types who dont analyze bass parts; I'm just trying to provide a scale of Eno and Lanois within this band.

They are part of the band. (when they want to be)
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Yeah, if you want to get into it; I've been saying for years that UF and JT and AB could not have happened without Eno and Lanois. Could they have happened without Adam and Larry? Yeah, musically, yeah.
But that's not the point; Adam and Larry are part of a 4 piece puzzle that doesn't exist without them; that's the way it is. It's the way the band wants it.
Could any competant bassist have played what Adam played on those records? Sure. Could ant competant producer have gotten the same results? Not so sure....the UF doc shows alot more than you might first think....so does the JT doc.

U2 is, and always will be, a mighty great band. The four of them. But without Eno and Lanois, they would not be where they are today, and it's no mistake their best records are produced by them.
 
JOFO said:
The four of them. But without Eno and Lanois, they would not be where they are today, and it's no mistake their best records are produced by them.
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Wrong, Pop is one of the top 3 U2 albums of all time and that wasn't produced by Eno and Lanois. Also I think people underestimate the contribution of Mullen and Clayton and saying AB could have been the same record without either is not right in my opinion. That album has some of the best rhythm tracks of any U2 record and probably has the best drum work of all U2 albums. To say that "any" drummer would have got the same results is underestimating the contribution of Mullen to AB in my opinion.:huh:
 
Wrong. The rythmic interest of AB was pursuaded by Eno/Lanois, and if you don't know that, you don't know your U2 history.
As far as POP being one of their best, that's all opinion, one not shared by the majority of fans.
 
Lanois and Eno are for sure great mentors to the band, but that's what they did, they showed and taught the band things. Of course U2 would not be where they are today without those two, but they are important as any member. Larry and Adam are a vital part of the band and that's for sure.
Pop would have become one of U2's masterpieces if they had the time to do so. HTDAAB, R&H and War are all brillant albuns and none of them are produced by Lanois and Eno (except a little of HTDAAB.) They gave U2 new ideas but U2 went further and made those ideas turn into masterpieces. Of course they are important, but they are not more important than any member of the band.
 
"Wrong, Pop is one of the top 3 U2 albums of all time"

:coocoo:

Without Larry or Adam you would get a completely different result, doesnt matter what direction Eno or Lanois wanted to go in, Larry and Adam do in fact have their own style of playing off of one another, there is a chemistry that you hear on every album. Any decent musician could play what they play...but theres no way they would have came out with the same result.
 
rjhbonovox said:
Wrong, Pop is one of the top 3 U2 albums of all time and that wasn't produced by Eno and Lanois. Also I think people underestimate the contribution of Mullen and Clayton and saying AB could have been the same record without either is not right in my opinion. That album has some of the best rhythm tracks of any U2 record and probably has the best drum work of all U2 albums. To say that "any" drummer would have got the same results is underestimating the contribution of Mullen to AB in my opinion.:huh:
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How can you blankly say WRONG, and then subjectify your answer by stating as if fact that Pop is one of the best three albums?

I don't think it is, so you must be WRONG

And I agree with you in part about Mullen and Clayton.

People see Bono and Edge as untouchable because no-one has bono's voice, and Edge's guitars are so unique: mixture of effects, textures, tones.

I think it is a common misconception that because Larry and Adams parts are technically 'easier', no effects, just a man and an instrument, that others (and there are many millions) could walk up and play them. But I don't think that many could walk up and write them. Listen to the bass on War and TUF. It is signature Adam, juts as there is signature Edge. Many many drummers can play Sunday Bloody Sunday, but it took Larry to write that part.

In the case of AB, it was Eno/Lanois that pushed the rythm section into that sphere, but it wouldnt have soudned the way it did without them
 
rjhbonovox said:
Wrong, Pop is one of the top 3 U2 albums of all time and that wasn't produced by Eno and Lanois. Also I think people underestimate the contribution of Mullen and Clayton and saying AB could have been the same record without either is not right in my opinion. That album has some of the best rhythm tracks of any U2 record and probably has the best drum work of all U2 albums. To say that "any" drummer would have got the same results is underestimating the contribution of Mullen to AB in my opinion.:huh:
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Wrong. Their songwriting wouldn't have been where it was (sonically and conceptually) without Eno and Lanois. These guys broadened them and they know it.

I agree with you about Larry and Adam. They are essential. Always have been.

Eno and Lanois have been equally as essential and I state that with the same belief that you state POP is among their top 3 albums. Love POP all you want, but something was missing. Maybe they were partying too much. Maybe 2 members were missing.

1. Not everyone may agree
2. it may be opinion

U2 at its very best has always been a band of 6 members.
 
Let me be clear; if anyone here plays an instrument, you know how important Adam's bass lines are. Ever play ISHFWILF note for note on guitar? I have. Sound like anything special? Hell no. Add the bassline, boom, instant tune.
The same can be said for MOST u2 songs. The list could go on and on. But, the comment was "Eno and Lanois are as important musically as Adam" and I have to agree with that as far as album production goes.
So, Adam is a special part of the band.
HOWEVER:
The MOOD and atmosphere, not to mention the direction in songwriting, part playing, and ESPECIALLY the production, would be nowhere without Eno/Lanois. Which I find myself biting my teeth saying because I hate Eno or Lanois' music solo.
 
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