Bono In Conversation - Page 2

dandy · 05-04-2005, 05:27 PM

i got my copy today!

i have to force myself not to tear into it before i've finished reading the other two books i've already started. might not win that battle.

MrsSpringsteen · 05-06-2005, 10:37 AM

Sometimes you have to read things several times to figure out exactly wtf he's talking about, well I do

Maybe that's part of his charm and appeal, that you're never really sure. Keeps you interested.

BAW · 05-06-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
Sometimes you have to read things several times to figure out exactly wtf he's talking about, well I do

Maybe that's part of his charm and appeal, that you're never really sure. Keeps you interested.

omg, I seriously thought it was just me

I normally breeze through a book in 1 or 2 nights but I started this one over a week ago and I'm only halfway through. I realized it was because I have to read every single word, sometimes more than once, just to figure out what the heck he means sometimes! I'm normally a speed reader but I can't do it with this book.

Teski · 05-06-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Bono's American Wife

omg, I seriously thought it was just me

I normally breeze through a book in 1 or 2 nights but I started this one over a week ago and I'm only halfway through. I realized it was because I have to read every single word, sometimes more than once, just to figure out what the heck he means sometimes! I'm normally a speed reader but I can't do it with this book.

I have the same thing going on. Not sure if there are some grammar things, or just some 'bono' thinking in there, but this one is taking me a little longer as well. Great stuff though!

martha · 05-08-2005, 10:01 AM

This came in the mail yesterday as well.

The cover was worth the price all by itself.

dandy · 05-08-2005, 11:33 AM

^ no kidding.

i failed miserably at ignoring this book until i finshed up with my other current reads. no will power.

beli · 05-08-2005, 03:12 PM

I'm about half way through the book.

What does everyone thing of Bonos take on depression? I think hes wrong, wrong, wrong. loll. I'm kinda suprised that he missed the mark, and kinda not suprised as well as hes missed the mark before, in my view. Umm, yeah, Ill say more if anyone wants to talk, otherwise I will have to duck being hit in the head by an agro PLEBAn.

BonosSaint · 05-08-2005, 10:26 PM

Didn't seem to be a whole lot of understanding on his part on depression and even suicide, was there? Love him to pieces, but sometimes he's a little out of touch.

popsadie · 05-08-2005, 10:31 PM

I don't know...depression is a chemical imbalance...BUT...there are non medicinal ways of improving chemical balance...Bono's coming from the "Faith as healer" perspective...and though I think he underestimates the chemical element of depression....gaining perspective can improve depression...which is why therapy and medicine are important tools for overcoming it..not only medicine....

beli · 05-08-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by BonosSaint
Didn't seem to be a whole lot of understanding on his part on depression and even suicide, was there? Love him to pieces, but sometimes he's a little out of touch.

I'm glad you agree. That was my feeling as well. Theres something odd about Bono that I cant quite put my finger on. Out of touch might be a good expression for it. The fact that hes solely interested in going forwards, never looks back I think contributes to his lack of understanding of somethings. By his own admission he doesnt spend much time navel gazing. While that is a healthy way to be I think he missing some things by trudging onwards and upwards. He is achieving a heck of a lot with his life, which is admirable, but I don't believe I would like him much as a friend.

Not that it matters. Captain MacArthur, an early leader of Australia, is a personal hero of mine. He achieved a tremendous amount during his lifetime but by all accounts was a womanising drunk (not that Bono is).

Im racing out the door, I'll write more later.

popsadie · 05-08-2005, 11:43 PM

I think its a matter of personality clash...to me...people like you look too far back. I happen to be on a similiar page to Bono regarding navel gazing...I often see it as representative of self interest...I'm more interested in progression. I still think religious world view plays a role in this. My friend who is a counselor and I often have it out regarding counseling..I feel that its often selfish...that the advice given by counselors is sometimes good for the person...but not the best choice for the people in the person's world. Navel gazing is fine...to recognize your faults and seek forgiveness..repentance...but after that...I often feel it goes to far....

beli · 05-09-2005, 12:22 AM

I dont disagree. Navel gazing can go too far, it can be a trap to fall into. But a little bit can be beneficial.

As for progression, how can one progress if that person is bogged? Sometimes a stop and reassess before continuing on may be required.

I agree about the chemical imbalance/drug correction and counselling issue.

I also believe society plays a role. I used to work for Oxfam and find that the average African (bland generalisation) are happier than the average Australian. The average village society appears more comforting, and more aware of a member stumbing, than the average suburban isolation bunker. (Not that I have travelled to Africa, just my noting from Africans here and observance)

Bono does not appear to comprehend my understanding of depression. (lol) There are people like he describes, people who enjoy wallowing in their own misery, and become "pickled" in themselves but I disagree that that is the case for the majority of depressed people.

Same with suicidial people. Yes, ultimately it is a selfish act but crap if you have been down there, really down, down, down there sometimes it can seem like the only way out is death . Bono is correct in the just hang on for a few more hours and it will pass scenario. I dont disagree with that. I also believe thats a shit load easier said than done. And the ones that don't make it back up aren't selfish, they just didn't make it back up. Some people don't. It's not a failure, nor is coming through it a reason to congratulate oneself either.

popsadie · 05-09-2005, 12:27 AM

Thanks for the reasoned response beli. I pretty much agree with what you posted here. I have to admit that my personal experience( regarding my father's depression) with counseling has soured me on it. It seemed to have a biased world view that I just couldn't agree with. My father was in counselng and undergoing medicinal treatment but all it seemed to do was make him dwell on his depressed state.....

beli · 05-09-2005, 01:26 AM

There are good and bad counsellors, just as there are good and bad members in every profession. I have experienced some inappropriate counsellors myself.

Sorry to hear your Dad had a dud counsellor. One of the most difficult things is to realise help is needed, reach out and ask for it, and then realise the person aiding is actually hindering. Sometimes life sucks, and then it sucks some more.

Teski · 05-09-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by beli
There are good and bad counsellors, just as there are good and bad members in every profession. I have experienced some inappropriate counsellors myself.

Sorry to hear your Dad had a dud counsellor. One of the most difficult things is to realise help is needed, reach out and ask for it, and then realise the person aiding is actually hindering. Sometimes life sucks, and then it sucks some more.

Agreed...I've seen both sides in this area as well with people that have had counseling...If you get a good person and they mesh well with the person looking for guidance, it can be very helpful. The wrong combination can be really bad though.

MrsSpringsteen · 05-10-2005, 06:36 AM

I don't know, I'm certainly no clinical expert about depression. Like others have said here, it's not all chemical imbalance.
I think maybe Bono still doesn't want to have to face certain things about his family and childhood, I don't think that's uncommon and I understand it. Also losing his Mom like that when he was so young must be a profound thing to have to make peace with. I haven't finished the book yet so I'm not sure about all of it, he does confuse me many times

MrsSpringsteen · 05-13-2005, 06:16 AM

Yesterday I read the part where he talks about Adam whipping out his.. willie at every opportunity when they were young, and how he peed near Ali's leg

FlyYourKite · 05-13-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
Yesterday I read the part where he talks about Adam whipping out his.. willie at every opportunity when they were young, and how he peed near Ali's leg

Haven't got there yet and I'll be so excited when I do

What a fabulous book.

beli · 05-13-2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
I don't know, I'm certainly no clinical expert about depression. Like others have said here, it's not all chemical imbalance.
I think maybe Bono still doesn't want to have to face certain things about his family and childhood, I don't think that's uncommon and I understand it. Also losing his Mom like that when he was so young must be a profound thing to have to make peace with. I haven't finished the book yet so I'm not sure about all of it, he does confuse me many times

Ive nearly finished the book. I believe Bono has no clue about depression. Perhaps hes one of these 'keep all the plates spinning so I dont have to deal with it' types. Either way he is insensitive to this issue.

biff · 05-13-2005, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beli

Ive nearly finished the book. I believe Bono has no clue about depression. Perhaps hes one of these 'keep all the plates spinning so I dont have to deal with it' types. Either way he is insensitive to this issue.

I find it rather strange, especially since, in the McCormick book, Bono is quoted as saying he had suicidal thoughts when he was a teenager. He's definitely a "not look back" kind of person.

He's also a person of deep faith, and a recent study at the U. of Chicago indicates that faith actually curbs depression. I think this is a factor in his attitude, perhaps because it's what worked for him in the past. I don't think he's lacking in empathy.

(Hi Beli!

)

05-04-2005, 05:27 PM	#21
dandy Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: styrofoam peanut commune Posts: 4,310 Local Time: 07:29 PM	i got my copy today! i have to force myself not to tear into it before i've finished reading the other two books i've already started. might not win that battle. __________________

05-06-2005, 10:37 AM	#22
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,781 Local Time: 06:29 PM	Sometimes you have to read things several times to figure out exactly wtf he's talking about, well I do Maybe that's part of his charm and appeal, that you're never really sure. Keeps you interested. __________________

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05-08-2005, 10:01 AM	#25
martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,556 Local Time: 03:29 PM	This came in the mail yesterday as well. The cover was worth the price all by itself.

05-08-2005, 11:33 AM	#26
dandy Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: styrofoam peanut commune Posts: 4,310 Local Time: 07:29 PM	^ no kidding. i failed miserably at ignoring this book until i finshed up with my other current reads. no will power.

05-08-2005, 03:12 PM	#27
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 06:29 AM	I'm about half way through the book. What does everyone thing of Bonos take on depression? I think hes wrong, wrong, wrong. loll. I'm kinda suprised that he missed the mark, and kinda not suprised as well as hes missed the mark before, in my view. Umm, yeah, Ill say more if anyone wants to talk, otherwise I will have to duck being hit in the head by an agro PLEBAn.

05-08-2005, 10:26 PM	#28
BonosSaint Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,566 Local Time: 06:29 PM	Didn't seem to be a whole lot of understanding on his part on depression and even suicide, was there? Love him to pieces, but sometimes he's a little out of touch.

05-08-2005, 10:31 PM	#29
popsadie Acrobat Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hsinchu, Tawain Posts: 461 Local Time: 10:29 PM	I don't know...depression is a chemical imbalance...BUT...there are non medicinal ways of improving chemical balance...Bono's coming from the "Faith as healer" perspective...and though I think he underestimates the chemical element of depression....gaining perspective can improve depression...which is why therapy and medicine are important tools for overcoming it..not only medicine....

05-08-2005, 11:43 PM	#31
popsadie Acrobat Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hsinchu, Tawain Posts: 461 Local Time: 10:29 PM	I think its a matter of personality clash...to me...people like you look too far back. I happen to be on a similiar page to Bono regarding navel gazing...I often see it as representative of self interest...I'm more interested in progression. I still think religious world view plays a role in this. My friend who is a counselor and I often have it out regarding counseling..I feel that its often selfish...that the advice given by counselors is sometimes good for the person...but not the best choice for the people in the person's world. Navel gazing is fine...to recognize your faults and seek forgiveness..repentance...but after that...I often feel it goes to far....

05-09-2005, 12:22 AM	#32
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 06:29 AM	I dont disagree. Navel gazing can go too far, it can be a trap to fall into. But a little bit can be beneficial. As for progression, how can one progress if that person is bogged? Sometimes a stop and reassess before continuing on may be required. I agree about the chemical imbalance/drug correction and counselling issue. I also believe society plays a role. I used to work for Oxfam and find that the average African (bland generalisation) are happier than the average Australian. The average village society appears more comforting, and more aware of a member stumbing, than the average suburban isolation bunker. (Not that I have travelled to Africa, just my noting from Africans here and observance) Bono does not appear to comprehend my understanding of depression. (lol) There are people like he describes, people who enjoy wallowing in their own misery, and become "pickled" in themselves but I disagree that that is the case for the majority of depressed people. Same with suicidial people. Yes, ultimately it is a selfish act but crap if you have been down there, really down, down, down there sometimes it can seem like the only way out is death . Bono is correct in the just hang on for a few more hours and it will pass scenario. I dont disagree with that. I also believe thats a shit load easier said than done. And the ones that don't make it back up aren't selfish, they just didn't make it back up. Some people don't. It's not a failure, nor is coming through it a reason to congratulate oneself either.

05-09-2005, 12:27 AM	#33
popsadie Acrobat Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Hsinchu, Tawain Posts: 461 Local Time: 10:29 PM	Thanks for the reasoned response beli. I pretty much agree with what you posted here. I have to admit that my personal experience( regarding my father's depression) with counseling has soured me on it. It seemed to have a biased world view that I just couldn't agree with. My father was in counselng and undergoing medicinal treatment but all it seemed to do was make him dwell on his depressed state.....

05-09-2005, 01:26 AM	#34
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 06:29 AM	There are good and bad counsellors, just as there are good and bad members in every profession. I have experienced some inappropriate counsellors myself. Sorry to hear your Dad had a dud counsellor. One of the most difficult things is to realise help is needed, reach out and ask for it, and then realise the person aiding is actually hindering. Sometimes life sucks, and then it sucks some more.

05-10-2005, 06:36 AM	#36
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,781 Local Time: 06:29 PM	I don't know, I'm certainly no clinical expert about depression. Like others have said here, it's not all chemical imbalance. I think maybe Bono still doesn't want to have to face certain things about his family and childhood, I don't think that's uncommon and I understand it. Also losing his Mom like that when he was so young must be a profound thing to have to make peace with. I haven't finished the book yet so I'm not sure about all of it, he does confuse me many times

05-13-2005, 06:16 AM	#37
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,781 Local Time: 06:29 PM	Yesterday I read the part where he talks about Adam whipping out his.. willie at every opportunity when they were young, and how he peed near Ali's leg