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Old 05-05-2017, 06:00 AM   #1
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Tim Sommer rips apart the Joshua Tree.

Music critic Tim Sommer tries to explain that the Joshua Tree is not a great album.

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U2’s ‘The Joshua Tree’ Isn’t the Masterpiece You Remember

Alternately ecstatic and underwhelming, historic and histrionic, powerful and vague, The Joshua Tree is half a masterpiece.

U2’s The Joshua Tree turns 30 this week, an event to be celebrated by a tour, a series of commemorative plates from the Franklin Mint, and a newly discovered Irish moss to be named Polytrichum Piliferum Joshuam.[i]

U2’s fifth studio album is a testimony to the churning, night-purple planetarium of starry majesty they could harness and wrap around the simplest frames, while at the same time exposing the band’s distressing and consistent habit of turning on autopilot halfway through an album.
The Joshua Tree is also a masterclass in the act of transparent but effective appropriation, something U2 have always been very, very good at. Like David Bowie (or Led Zeppelin and R.E.M.), the sheer weight of U2’s personality and charismatic energy allows them to get away with the most basic thievery: in their hands, it doesn’t feel like plagiarism, but like a redistribution of deserving and lesser-known art to the masses.

First, let’s talk about an absolutely integral aspect of The Joshua Tree: we’ll call this “The Phone Book Phenomenon.”

This is one of the truly remarkable things about The Joshua Tree—if you just listen to the first side, you’re fairly convinced that you’re hearing one of the greatest classic rock albums of all time; but once you hit the second side (beginning with track six, “Red Hill Mining Town”), U2 are playing the phone book.

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U2’s ‘The Joshua Tree’ Isn’t the Masterpiece You Remember | | Observer

Tim Sommer - The Observer

Just goes to show that not even what is arguably the greatest album of all time is not immune to criticism based on hidden contempt for the band in general.
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The Joshua Tree is one of the greatest albums of all time, that is undisputed.

Tim Sommer - who the hell is that? Never heard of him. Didn't bother clicking on the link either. Enough said.
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Ugh. Thanks for the share. Article was a slog. Whoever the hell he is, the author's in love with the sound of his own gas-baggy voice. Paid by the syllable obviously

But then I'm biased!
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Tim Sommer? who is this fool?
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The Observer seems to have some vendetta against U2. Just this week, they posted an article that said regarding their collaboration with Kendrick Lamar on "xxx"...."U2 Ties Record With Michael Jackson, Tarnishes Brand in the Process... U2’s latest collaboration is a cry for help—and ticket sales"

What the hell is their problem? Is this really what qualifies as journalism?
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Old 05-05-2017, 12:28 PM   #7
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Meh, sounds like they're looking for clicks.
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To quote The New Day from WWE: who.....who ..... who....who....who.........
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Just one guy's opinion on a planet with 8 billion people.

Bono has described his 80's work as "unfinished songs," and maybe that's what this guy was getting at -- the songs aren't as unique and complete as those on side 1 (with the exception of Mothers). But I can't imagine this album as emotive and powerful without the other songs, they blend and swirl with everything else on the album to paint that desert landscape that the band was going for.

You sure as hell need In God's Country, Exit and Trip Through Your Wires to pull that off.
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Side two is more "cinematic" in scope than side one.
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completely accurate or not, the author makes some interesting points/claims.

I don't know why so many U2 fans put their heads in the sand when faced with specific critiques of their band.
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Tim Sommer rips apart the Joshua Tree.

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completely accurate or not, the author makes some interesting points/claims.

I don't know why so many U2 fans put their heads in the sand when faced with specific critiques of their band.
I mean, the article is just bad though. I'm all about reading critiques that go further than "I didn't like the last half of the album" so I'm going to call it a "phonebook". Makes no sense. I really like the 2nd half of Joshua Tree, even though it didn't have any big hits off of it. The album was powerful enough where even a casual fan during that time would easily recognize In God's Country or One Tree Hill during the show today.

So yeah, it's just a crap article. Show me a well written article that critiques that band, and I'll read it.
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In what world is Exit considered auto-pilot? One could make a case for In God's Country being generic anthemic wide-open U2, but it's still a great track. Trip is a countrified rave-up that they'd never done before. Mothers is atmospheric and moving, with a soundscape pretty unique compared to anything on TUF. One Tree Hill stands out with its guitar and drum sound.

Fuck this guy.

Sgt. Pepper's has a much more vulnerable Side 2.
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I'm not saying he is correct. In fact, I love most of the album including Side 2.

The parts I am most intrigued by are his claims that they stole (OK were inspired by) other songs. Pretty serious charges, if true.

Now, I have no idea if there is any substance to it. But to just write it off because 'who is this guy?' or 'I never heard of him' seems lame.

BVS - great reply as usual.
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Considering the knowlegable Eno and Lanois were around during the process, I'm skeptical of plaigiarism claims.
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I'm not saying he is correct. In fact, I love most of the album including Side 2.



The parts I am most intrigued by are his claims that they stole (OK were inspired by) other songs. Pretty serious charges, if true.



Now, I have no idea if there is any substance to it. But to just write it off because 'who is this guy?' or 'I never heard of him' seems lame.



BVS - great reply as usual.


You're questioning his 'stolen' charges after 30 years?

My "reply" was an accidental push of the button, but good on you for keeping it classy as usual.
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I'm not saying he is correct. In fact, I love most of the album including Side 2.

The parts I am most intrigued by are his claims that they stole (OK were inspired by) other songs. Pretty serious charges, if true.

Now, I have no idea if there is any substance to it. But to just write it off because 'who is this guy?' or 'I never heard of him' seems lame.

BVS - great reply as usual.
The only interesting charge of stealing was Out Of Control and the Skids song. Thing is, U2 wrote Out of Control in May 1978 and the Skids song was released until 1979. I can see the similarity a little bit, but again, U2 already had Out Of Control before they ever heard the Skids song.
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Blatant plagiarism is one thing (and pretty uncommon), artists being influenced by other artists in a more organic way a wholly different thing. I think people get way too hung up on the latter.

As if everyone is supposed to be some atomised little ball of creation, penning their little ditties in some kind of vacuum of pure rarefied copyright-non-infringement.

Frankly, I hear a shit-ton of Patti Smith in Exit, but that doesn't make me think less of the band. Quite the reverse, in fact.
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You're questioning his 'stolen' charges after 30 years?

My "reply" was an accidental push of the button, but good on you for keeping it classy as usual.
Maybe you missed the part where i said I have no idea if there is any substance to these claims?

How's this for classy: based on many of your posts I've read, I'm pretty sure you know a lot more about U2 than I do. Probably a lot more about music in general. So I would respect yours and others' opinions on the matter. As for dismissing the claim because it's 30 years old - maybe that's valid, maybe not. But my original point was directed at those who would dismiss it out of hand for no good reason at all.
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