purpleoscar
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Can they please put a DTS Master of the movie on a Blu-ray?
proposed 2013 25th Anniversary Rattle & Hum tracklisting
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canedge
Refugee
Looking at the record version of Rattle & Hum it is much more artitically congruent than CD copies. Each side on the record makes "sense".
canedge
Refugee
purple oscar, what is the audio specs for the Blu Ray?
purpleoscar
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Basically it sounds like the original master.
The current Rattle and Hum Blu-ray only has a compressed DTS track that you will find on DVDs.
The Panther
Refugee
That's right. This was totally lost in the CD era (let alone the mp3 era). In retrospect, they probably shouldn't have planned the tracklisting to suit a 4-side vinyl album, which was already pretty old by late 1988.
Nick66
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Rattle & Hum is one of my favorites. One thing I'd like to see on a reissued/remastered R&H is a separation of the live and studio material into two separate discs. There's a great live album in there, and a great studio album, but I always thought they could be better as stand alone pieces. Just add some of the b-sides and unreleased stuff to the tracks on the existing studio recordings and you have a great "studio" album IMO. Then for the second CD just put on ALL the live songs from the film. Call the studio disc "Rattle & Sun" and the live one "Outside It's America". Throw in Lovetown as a 3rd CD, and you're good to go. For a DVD, a high quality video of one of the Lovetown shows (if there is such a thing) would be most welcome as well. There's your 4-disc set.
As far as the film goes, even though they were marketed together and it's normal to associate them w/each other, the R&H album and movie are two separate properties. I read recently that they had to get permission from Paramount to use some of the R&H outtakes in Gugenheim's doc (though apparently U2 does still own some of that footage as well). Whether as part of a R&H reissue or a stand alone release, I'd love to see an expanded/restored R&H movie (and it sorely needs restoration, and at a minimum a new HD transfer), but unless U2 wants buy back the film rights from Paramount (and movie studios don't give up properties easily or cheaply, especially when they know that U2 has deep pockets), that's not going to happen any time soon.
As far as the film goes, even though they were marketed together and it's normal to associate them w/each other, the R&H album and movie are two separate properties. I read recently that they had to get permission from Paramount to use some of the R&H outtakes in Gugenheim's doc (though apparently U2 does still own some of that footage as well). Whether as part of a R&H reissue or a stand alone release, I'd love to see an expanded/restored R&H movie (and it sorely needs restoration, and at a minimum a new HD transfer), but unless U2 wants buy back the film rights from Paramount (and movie studios don't give up properties easily or cheaply, especially when they know that U2 has deep pockets), that's not going to happen any time soon.
canedge
Refugee
That is a good idea Nick. That could be the deluxe version and have the single remastered version as a standalone.
canedge
Refugee
Something would really needed to be added to make this release fresh to fans again. Putting out the same version would be crap.
Nick66
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Peace in our time. 
canedge
Refugee
You made a valid contribution, I respect that.
canedge
Refugee
Studio
Hawkmoon 269
Desire
Van Diemen's Land
Angel Of Harlem
Love Rescue Me
When Love Comes To Town
Heartland
God Part II
All I Want Is You
A Room At The Heartbreak Hotel
Hallelujah Here She Comes
Everlasting Love
Unchained Melody
Dancing Barefoot
Jesus Christ
She's a Mystery to Me
Hawkmoon 269
Desire
Van Diemen's Land
Angel Of Harlem
Love Rescue Me
When Love Comes To Town
Heartland
God Part II
All I Want Is You
A Room At The Heartbreak Hotel
Hallelujah Here She Comes
Everlasting Love
Unchained Melody
Dancing Barefoot
Jesus Christ
She's a Mystery to Me
canedge
Refugee
Live
When Love Comes To Town (Live From The Kingdom Mix)
Love Rescue Me (Live with Ziggy Marley)
Exit (Live)
In God's Country (Live)
Bad (Live)
Where The Streets Have No Name / MLK
With or Without You (Live)
Running To Stand Still (Live)
Sunday Bloody Sunday (Live)
The Star Spangled Banner/Bullet The Blue Sky
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
Pride (In The Name Of Love)
All Along The Watchtower
Silver & Gold
Helter Skelter
When Love Comes To Town (Live From The Kingdom Mix)
Love Rescue Me (Live with Ziggy Marley)
Exit (Live)
In God's Country (Live)
Bad (Live)
Where The Streets Have No Name / MLK
With or Without You (Live)
Running To Stand Still (Live)
Sunday Bloody Sunday (Live)
The Star Spangled Banner/Bullet The Blue Sky
I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
Pride (In The Name Of Love)
All Along The Watchtower
Silver & Gold
Helter Skelter
canedge
Refugee
CD 1 original album remastered with original running order
Deluxe 2CD
1 Live CD
1 Studio CD
now someone choose a running order for the studio album.
Deluxe 2CD
1 Live CD
1 Studio CD
now someone choose a running order for the studio album.
Niceman
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When the album was new, you could either buy the LP or cassette. CDs weren't around yet.
Nick66
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Yeah, I've already actually pretty much done this via an iTunes playlist...the live version comes in at 70 min, and the studio 60 min, short enough to fit onto a CD each (14 tracks for each disc), and I could probably add a couple of the studio recordings you have listed. The songs I selected are slightly different, but our lists are pretty much the same.
I didn't think She's a Mystery was part of the R&H sessions, though I know it was recorded around that time or shortly thereafter.
Is When Love Comes to Town Live from The Kingdom Mix a genuine live track? It seems to me that it's just a studio version of the song w/an audience track mixed in (kind of like the version of Sort of Homecoming on Wide Awake), but I could be wrong about that.
Actually, any input on the track order would be appreciated, I struggled w/ that a bit.
Rattle & Sun:
Van Diemen's Land
Desire
Heartland
God Part II
Hawkmoon 269
Angel of Harlem
Love Rescue Me
When Love Comes to Town
Everlasting Love
Unchained Melody
A Room At The Heart Break Hotel
Halleluiah (Here She Comes)
Dancing Barefoot
All I Want Is You
Outside It's America (Live, all from R&H movie):
Helter Skelter
All Along the Watchtower
Bullet the Blue Sky/The Star Spangl...
Running To Stand Still
Bad
In God's Country
I Still Haven't Found
Exit
Where the Streets Have No Name
MLK
With Or Without You
Silver And Gold
Sunday Bloody Sunday
Pride (In The Name Of Love)
The Panther
Refugee
Well, actually they were, but they weren't quite the standard media yet. (Apparently there were 400 million CDs pressed in 1988 alone.)
Niceman
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Didn't know that...
BVS
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nathan1977
Rock n' Roll Doggie
As documented in the R&H outtakes, She's a Mystery and Can't Help Falling were demoed in the same Sun Studios sessions that gave us Angel of Harlem, Love Comes to Town and Love Rescue Me, as well as Jesus Christ. Desire was cut at STS in Dublin, as was (I'm guessing) Hallelujah and Heartbreak Hotel, since those three tracks all share Paul Barrett as the credited producer (though Hallelujah and Heartbreak Hotel weren't finished until Los Angeles later in 1988). Van Diemen's Land was recorded at The Point Dublin in early '88. Hawkmoon and God Part II weren't recorded until the summer of 1988 in Los Angeles, and Heartland had its initial recording roots in the early Joshua Tree sessions in '86. So the notion of formal "R&H sessions" is a bit of a misnomer, since the sessions seemed to take place wherever they could.
Nick66
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Right. Thanks much. But is there a studio recording of "She's a Mystery" with Bono on vocals? The only U2 versions of it I've heard (w/o Orbison) are live recordings. We were discussing whether a studio version of She's a Mystery would be a good candidate for a R&H reissue. Just wondering if such a studio recording (again, exclusively U2 performing) exists.
The Panther
Refugee
Yeah, that's also what I want to know. Even if there's just a demo from Memphis, it would be amazing to hear. But is there a proper studio track?
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
There is a studio version of 'She's a Mystery' out there, but it's really really poor quality.
U2 - Trip Thru Ur Wires/She's A Mystery To Me (Sun Studios) - YouTube
Not a proper studio track, but definitely worth listening.
Not a proper studio track, but definitely worth listening.
canedge
Refugee
The Rattle & Hum outtakes that were in "From the Sky Down" were all pristine quality with no 'property of" tags.
Don't forget about the take of 'Love Rescue me' with Bob Dylan on lead vocals.
Also, Bono and Edge produced "She's a Mystery with Me"
Don't forget about the take of 'Love Rescue me' with Bob Dylan on lead vocals.
Also, Bono and Edge produced "She's a Mystery with Me"
rsdegeest
The Fly
Well there's no doubt She's a Mystery To Me is from the R&H sessions. It was first soundchecked somewhere in 1987 during the JT-tour. It was propperly recorded In The Sun Studio's with a lot of the other R&H songs. (like Nathan1977 explains). They also recorded Can't Help Falling in Love. Both versions remain unreleased but the recordings were filmed for the R&H movie, those movie outtakes give us some audio from these recording sessions.
Besides that I always understood that Slow Dancing wasn't from the R&H sessions (it was first played around 1989) and My Wild Irish Rose was from 1989 as well. It was used in a 1990 BBC documentary.
Heartland was first tried for The Unforgettable Fire, and again in 1987 for JT. The Version used on R&H was produced by Eno/Lanois so it's fair to assume it got almost finished around 1987. It's basically a JT song in the version that was released.
It's even possible that the B-side Fortunate Son (from '92s Who's Gonna Ride.. CDS) was from the sessions in which R&H b-sides like Dancing Barefoot were recorded. I posted this promo item from that era a while back: http://www.u2interference.com/forums/f189/dancing-barefoot-fortunate-son-89-promo-tape-211980.html
Besides that I always understood that Slow Dancing wasn't from the R&H sessions (it was first played around 1989) and My Wild Irish Rose was from 1989 as well. It was used in a 1990 BBC documentary.
Heartland was first tried for The Unforgettable Fire, and again in 1987 for JT. The Version used on R&H was produced by Eno/Lanois so it's fair to assume it got almost finished around 1987. It's basically a JT song in the version that was released.
It's even possible that the B-side Fortunate Son (from '92s Who's Gonna Ride.. CDS) was from the sessions in which R&H b-sides like Dancing Barefoot were recorded. I posted this promo item from that era a while back: http://www.u2interference.com/forums/f189/dancing-barefoot-fortunate-son-89-promo-tape-211980.html
Nick66
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Really informative post. Thanks much. I knew about Heartland and the other songs you mentioned, but that's interesting about Fortunate Son.
Would be nice to see a high quality proper studio "She's a Mystery" release (and not an audio rip from movie outtakes) on a R&H reissue, since we know such a thing exists.
canedge
Refugee
Yeah that song is as deserving as Sweetest Thing. Which got its due 10 years after. Heartland was 'in the can' by 1986. It was recorded at Adams house. I really don't think U2 want to go back to this era. They want to forget it.
nathan1977
Rock n' Roll Doggie
According to Kevin Killen, who engineered some early JT material, Heartland was an 86 composition. Not sure how much of it dates earlier than that.
I think that's pretty much confirmed by this interview from Adam in Propaganda circa 89: "Some (of the covers) just didn't work....It wasn't right for us to do some of them. Like the old Creedence number 'Fortunate Son' -- it was a great idea as it refers to the draft-dodgers in Vietnam, the Senators' sons avoiding the draft. When we looked at it, it was in the middle of the Senator Dan Quayle controversy but that soon passed and it didn't work when we'd finished it."
Edge alluded to the song as well in his own 89 Propaganda interview: "We decided that we'd work on some covers because we've never actually done that before -- recorded a pile of cover versions. We spent about five days in the studio and it was great fun just playing some of the old songs that we'd always wanted to play. Maria McKee came down and she sang with us. It was one of those really low-pressure sessions and I think we got some good stuff as a result. We did everything and anything really. ...We did about eight but some of them are too off the wall. A couple of real old soul classics with Maria may or may not see the light of day depending on how they seem when we've worked on them."
rsdegeest
The Fly
OK, this I didn't know. I just assumed. Makes me curious for all those unreleased cover versions from this session that remain unreleased. Guess Paint It Black, Unchained Melody and Everlasting Love could be from this session as well. But that's about it. Other cover versions that were B-sides are from other sessions post 1991 (Like Sattelite Of Love and Night and Day).
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