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BSBONO

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Let me preface this by saying I have been a huge fan from the day I got into music in high school. I probably fit the prototypical U2 fanactic category to a tee so it pains me to even bring up the topic. I am 37 years old so from an age perspective I also probably fit right into the sweet spot of a U2 fan having endured the highs and lows for 2 decades. Now if the answer is yes there is nothing wrong with that as there really are not any examples of bands at this age making the best music of their lives. If it is yes though I am bit depressed by it given how much the band has meant to me and how much they have been a part of my life.

Obviously music is very subjective but I think some U2 fanatics can't step back and evaluate things rationally so that is what I have done (I think). The final straw that brought me to this conclusion was opening night in Torino a few days ago and the quality of the 2 new songs debuted. Granted we have not heard studio versions of the songs so some context is missing but what I did hear really triggered what I have been thinking for the last year now. Its also just the first real performance of each but neither to me shows potential that I need for them to grown on me. I will say I commend and thank the band for taking a real risk to debut the songs which I think has been lacking in recent years.

The concerning part about the new songs is the fact that the band supposively has a ton of new material in the vault between the many projects that have started, stopped, retooled, and been revisited in just the last few years. So from a logical perspective I would think to debut songs live the band would have to feel the songs were very strong and would have to be at the top half of quality of what they have been working on. To add 2new songs to a set list in the low 20's is a decent part of the show so they need to work well. Personally I just don't feel that they are or did. So maybe the material they have been working on is not up to what I am expecting. Again given their age I would not be shocked and it would be understandable but as a fanatic I have to say I am disappointed.

So that is what triggered this for me but as I said its been brewing in my mind for a while. Here are the other factors that have led me to where I am at. Again i want to reiterate if the best is behind us I understand and hold no ill will towards the band. The ride has been tremendous and if its slowing down in terms of my enjoyment I am OK with that.

1. Too many projects- I don't think the band is as focused as in prior years. They seem to be very confused on what type of music to release and I am guessing they are not all in agreement on direction which is very important for them. I think the lack of focus may be a lack of confidence and possibly not feeling that their standards in material is being met. Understandable given their personal lives and what they have achieved. But I really think they need to lock themselves away together in a room and figure it out eliminating distractions as best as possible. Hopefully that will happen during the long break between the next leg.

2. The Edge- He is my favorite and to me is the most important ingredient. His creativity is the sole of the band. For the most part I love and dislike U2 songs based on the Edge's work. Looking at the last albums post POP I would say he is not as creative or is lacking in ideas. Again understandable given age, environment, and his guitar style. It could very well be he has run out of ways to skin the cat and needs to move in a different direction. However that is kind of a no win in that I love his trademark sounds so not sure a totally new direction would help me. I am not saying everything he produces lately is not creative or lacking but rather looking at the whole body of work. I hope the band is not holding him back in some way as I really think he creativity will always be the key.

3. Commercialism- I am not one of those fans that hates commercialism or trying to appeal to the masses. If the music is really good I could care less whether I am the only one that likes it or millions do. However I feel, particularly with the opening singles released on at least the last few albums the band is trying too hard to be relevant. I don't think it is natural for them and I think it holds them back from the creativity that truly inspires me and has made them so relevant for years. NLOTH for the most part was less about this however there were some glaring exceptions. It again points to lack of focus and direction for me. They need to be focused on totally cohesive records.

4. Live Shows- The spectacle is not an issue as I enjoy the creativity and trying to expand the visual aspect. The issue I see here is the song selection and execution. They have a huge catalogue yet continue to not stray too far from the classics. Sometimes that is OK but if you are going to do that you need to play those classics with the best presentation you can. WOWY and MW to me are shadows of their former performances and maybe this points to the Edge. I don't understand why he is leaving out the awesome solos that really make these songs what they are live. There is perhaps some passion or energy missing with these performances. I don't see how anyone can argue these songs are better w/out their solos so I am really confused by it. Again this is understandable with age but why keep playing them if you can't play them to the best of their standards. Part of this could be trying to fit everything neatly into a relatively scripted show. If that is the case they need to stop trying to fit everything so tightly into a neat package as it takes away from what they are capable of.

So that is where I stand on this. I am very thankful for the band and the fact they continue to produce quality music and performances for so long. They owe me nothing at this point and perhaps they truly have lost a little over the years which again is still better than most of what is out there today. It is their band and they can do whatever they want and I will continue to keep supporting them financially. I just think age may have gotten the best of them in different ways not just physically. I know they are capable of more and I hope I am wrong in my assessment.
 
I agree with your points and you said all this in a very diplomatic way. Somebody send this to U2.com & the guys.
 
Well to peak at this age would be a feat in and of itself, who else has peaked musically at this age?

Everything else?

Eh, who knows? This thread gets recreated every year. It's very subjective, and honestly some of the things you bring up as factors are extremely :scratch:

But :cheers: to those that can peak at this point in their career!
 
U2 "peaked" almost 20 years ago so I just enjoy when they put new stuff out.

P.S. Why is it when U2 decide to do a little side project like the Glastonbury song people freak the hell out and talk about U2 being over and all this shit? Its a little song they wanted to put out for the festival, and by the way their new album will sound nothing like that song:doh:
 
Well to peak at this age would be a feat in and of itself, who else has peaked musically at this age?

Everything else?

Eh, who knows? This thread gets recreated every year. It's very subjective, and honestly some of the things you bring up as factors are extremely :scratch:

But :cheers: to those that can peak at this point in their career!

BVS, not sure you understood the context of my post. I pretty much stated non directly on several occassions that if they have peaked there is nothing wrong with that and its been an incredible ride and accomplishment. My observations are centered around the band today and are meant for discussion as after all this is a forum about our favorite band.
 
U2 "peaked" almost 20 years ago so I just enjoy when they put new stuff out.

P.S. Why is it when U2 decide to do a little side project like the Glastonbury song people freak the hell out and talk about U2 being over and all this shit? Its a little song they wanted to put out for the festival, and by the way their new album will sound nothing like that song:doh:

20 years ago? I think that is news to the band. Everything coming out of the camp is that they have been and are still making the best music of their lives.
My opinion is they are not and that they may be suffering from creative issues, are somewhat delusional or just truly have lost some of IT.

Regarding Glastonbury do you really think they just spontaneously wrote that entire song just for the festival? I would tend to doubt it as I am sure parts and pieces were from other material worked over the last few years and then shaped and reworked to fit Glastonbury.

I don't know why folks get uptight when someone presents an opinion that is not rose colored. The forum is for sharing opinions. Let me restate again that I still enjoy the work the band is producing but I feel somewhat sad in accepting the fact that this may be as good as it gets.
 
U2's peak in populariy was 1987-1993, which an amazing resurgence in 2000-2006.

Creatively, they've had many peaks and valleys throughout their career. One can argue about which we're in right now, and that's not a good thing. I am of the minority (on this board at least) that ATYCLB and HTDAAB were both great, not extraordinary, albums. Both need a little tweaking and a few songs added/dropped, but overall I find them to be a pretty good balance of what I love about U2. NLOTH, in my opinion, misses the mark completely. I like about as many songs on it as I dislike on ATYCLB, for example.
 
Regarding Glastonbury do you really think they just spontaneously wrote that entire song just for the festival? I would tend to doubt it as I am sure parts and pieces were from other material worked over the last few years and then shaped and reworked to fit Glastonbury.

Do you doubt they could write spontaneously or that they would? And do you think they've grown so jaded/lazy/uninspired/(insert your own adjective here :) ) that they couldn't put together brand new material for Glasto, but instead opted to cobble some kind of "Frankensong" together from bits & pieces of other stuff they had laying around?


I don't know why folks get uptight when someone presents an opinion that is not rose colored. The forum is for sharing opinions. Let me restate again that I still enjoy the work the band is producing but I feel somewhat sad in accepting the fact that this may be as good as it gets.

Some folks here are going to get uptight no matter what type of opinion you post. It's just a given. :shrug: As for you being sad that "this may be as good as it gets" with regards to U2's current output - could that be just as much about how you're feeling as you approach 40yrs old as it is the quality of U2's music? (I ask as a 39yr old who's put the same question to myself in the last couple of years.)

Just an opinion... food for thought. :hmm:
 
I agree with many points here originally listed.

For me....the band has peeked at several times in their career. These are my opinions...not facts.

1. The War album put U2 on the map as far as who they are (Boy and October were significant....but not as much as War). This placed U2 as a collective band for the masses to recognize.

2. Joshua Tree era......Being the biggest band in the 80's and Time Magazine and on and on and on.....record of the year....blah blah blah.... I figured....they have majorly peeked here.

3. Achtung Baby and Zoo TV. In my mind...they peeked even HIGHER than the Joshua Tree era. The live show incorporated with a "flip the script" album put them in the upper stratosphere of peeking. Not to mention songs like One and Mysterious Ways becoming huge hits.

(now for me.....in my opinion.....I personally believe points #2 and #3 are their peeking highlights)

4. The ATYCLB era saw the band collecting Grammys and applying for the "best band in the world". I think common folks really took notice. Add to that a Superbowl appearance and the connection of ATYCLB to September 11..........and they have become super relevant to many folks in the world.

5. Believe it or not......or maybe people forgot, Atomic Bomb won Album of the year. Could be considered a peek opportunity.

6. Currently their peeking is the U2360 tour.......having the original stage set up with the technology and the touring.

Just my 2 cents.

I'm just happy that they put out new music, tour, reach out to fans, and continue to challenge themselves despite being older.
 
BVS, not sure you understood the context of my post.

I'm not sure you understood mine...

Look, if anything, I think you chose a very odd time to write such a thread. I can see doing so after hearing a new album, or experiencing their latest tour, etc... But to do so when the band for the first time in over a decade has road tested new material, has several projects on the way and had(even the most negative in here have said) a pretty amazing return to form in a postponed tour seems to be bad timing.

To do so after hearing just two road tested songs?

Like I said, this thread gets written every year, and so far you may have the weakest reasoning...:shrug:
 
Look, if anything, I think you chose a very odd time to write such a thread. I can see doing so after hearing a new album, or experiencing their latest tour, etc... But to do so when the band for the first time in over a decade has road tested new material, has several projects on the way and had(even the most negative in here have said) a pretty amazing return to form in a postponed tour seems to be bad timing.

This was my thought. But whatever.
 
It seems like there are 1,000 different threads on interference with nostalgia for a different version of U2 that does not exist now. I must say that I think that NLOTH is one of their better albums and that U2 has a drive that most bands only dream of. This gives me hope and I am hopeful about U2. That being said, I find myself frustrated with Paul McGuiness (or the marketing side of U2). I dont really have any specific complaints but i think its more that it sometimes feels like the marketing side of U2 is a little over done. Maybe this is just in my mind but sometimes I wish U2 would just make their music and be a little more subdued with the whole marketing thing and not care about how much they sell. :reject:
and sometimes i kinda wished Bono would wear the sunglasses less hahahah

ok, thats all my U2 complaints, other than that I think they are the best band ever. :D
 
1. Too many projects- I don't think the band is as focused as in prior years. They seem to be very confused on what type of music to release and I am guessing they are not all in agreement on direction which is very important for them. I think the lack of focus may be a lack of confidence and possibly not feeling that their standards in material is being met. Understandable given their personal lives and what they have achieved. But I really think they need to lock themselves away together in a room and figure it out eliminating distractions as best as possible. Hopefully that will happen during the long break between the next leg.

The reason why they have so much material is precisely because they locked themselves up and went to Fez and they agreed not to stop when they hit the zone like they normally do. We know as a fact that they did new recording sessions which included the Glastonbury song. Northstar is a leftover from the HTDAAB days and from Bono's admission isn't even finished yet. Every breaking wave is supposed to be a great song yet we haven't heard it yet and I don't think they are going to road test their best songs.

2. The Edge- He is my favorite and to me is the most important ingredient. His creativity is the sole of the band. For the most part I love and dislike U2 songs based on the Edge's work. Looking at the last albums post POP I would say he is not as creative or is lacking in ideas. Again understandable given age, environment, and his guitar style. It could very well be he has run out of ways to skin the cat and needs to move in a different direction. However that is kind of a no win in that I love his trademark sounds so not sure a totally new direction would help me. I am not saying everything he produces lately is not creative or lacking but rather looking at the whole body of work. I hope the band is not holding him back in some way as I really think he creativity will always be the key.

Achtung Baby was the best in the '90s but by POP people were tired of the "experiments" and they needed to get back to meat and potatoes rock and roll before they turned into ethereal Passengers people. I like those experiments but U2 is great at turning a corner when a music style is over saturated. Those experiments were an antidote to the grundge formula at the time and ATYCLB and HTDAAB were an antidote to boy bands, dance music, and Kid A. The latest album is (for me) second to Achtung and creates another twist in that it's a full fledged album with a beginning, middle and end. The key is to make something that others at a particular time are not making so it stands out.

3. Commercialism- I am not one of those fans that hates commercialism or trying to appeal to the masses. If the music is really good I could care less whether I am the only one that likes it or millions do. However I feel, particularly with the opening singles released on at least the last few albums the band is trying too hard to be relevant. I don't think it is natural for them and I think it holds them back from the creativity that truly inspires me and has made them so relevant for years. NLOTH for the most part was less about this however there were some glaring exceptions. It again points to lack of focus and direction for me. They need to be focused on totally cohesive records.

They always chose singles that scratched people's heads. Even The Fly was misunderstood.

4. Live Shows- The spectacle is not an issue as I enjoy the creativity and trying to expand the visual aspect. The issue I see here is the song selection and execution. They have a huge catalogue yet continue to not stray too far from the classics. Sometimes that is OK but if you are going to do that you need to play those classics with the best presentation you can. WOWY and MW to me are shadows of their former performances and maybe this points to the Edge. I don't understand why he is leaving out the awesome solos that really make these songs what they are live. There is perhaps some passion or energy missing with these performances. I don't see how anyone can argue these songs are better w/out their solos so I am really confused by it. Again this is understandable with age but why keep playing them if you can't play them to the best of their standards. Part of this could be trying to fit everything neatly into a relatively scripted show. If that is the case they need to stop trying to fit everything so tightly into a neat package as it takes away from what they are capable of.

I agree with some of the comments on uninspired performances but I think this has to do with age and I think boredom of hits. Now Interference fans will be more bored with the hits than the general fan. Bono's voice has always been up and down and he can't escape age. He even picked up smoking again after his injury which is disappointing.

Anyways I'm happy either way that I can enjoy 80 -100 songs from the band even if they dropped off the face of the earth right now. U2 is a victim of their own success and audience expectations and Adam has admitted that in an interview where he admitted that they are competing against themselves. It's a great problem to have.
 
i think U2 should work on making complete albums rather than stacking together a bunch of songs. I think though with the talk of the themed SOA, they might be on that path. I certainly thought NLOTH was pretty well together as an album. I think the full theme running through an album is what makes albums like Kid A, Sgt Peppers, Joshua and Achtung really stand out as cohesive pieces of art
 
First of all, BSBONO, great post, and thanks for the food for thought.

Second, please ignore all reponses by BVS. His thing is to judge everyone's posts (except his own), find fault with them, and then point out (ad nauseum) all the reasons why your ideas are not thread-worthy. Suffice to say, this post is refreshing and thread-worthy, and I commend you on it.

Third, be aware in making overall career-analysis-type posts that you are dealing with a younger-than-you overall base of fans here on Interference. (In fact, I'm a bit younger than you, too.) This means that many people here became fans with Pop or ATYCLB -- which is great, except when it comes to discussing U2's commercial clout or cultural relevance, in which case a lot of younger fans lack perspective (as in the post above where the writer suggests that HTDAAB might be a "peak" because it won a Grammy, in comparison with the 1986-1993 peak).

So, those are just some things to keep in mind. Now, onto your excellent post. I think there are two key points you made that define U2's limitations (for me) at this point in their development:

1. Too many projects- I don't think the band is as focused as in prior years.

I tend to agree with you here, although I hadn't really thought of it as such until you pointed it out. It's quite understandable, of course, that a rich, middle-aged group of men are going to each branch out into their own lives and have disparate projects to enter into. Also, it's understandable that they now take longer between tour, albums, etc. What's odd about U2, however, is that they seem to enter into a lot of side-projects as a group. Bono's activism is sort-of his own thing, but still the others generally support him and occasionally accompany him or get behind him -- and U2 as a whole has certainly been a platform for his activism (which I think was a mistake). Then, there are the business investments (the hotels, etc.), the movie soundtracks, the stage-musical project that keeps getting tied up, the marketing (which is ten times bigger than it was in the late 80s), the celebrity appearances, introductions, and speeches, etc., etc. Add to this the fact that 3 of the 4 have children and extended families to take care of now, and it's a wonder they have time to actually make any music at all.

I think most famous groups at this stage tend to get away from each other as much as they can in down-time, and tend to take on side-projects that are far removed from the others in their band. U2 don't really do this -- they maintain an all-for-one, one-for-all appearance, which of course is good for their collective strength and togetherness. However, I do wonder if they can maintain their focus on making new music and take on as many projects as they do.

I'm sure there are times when they (okay, mainly Larry) sits down and wishes they could go back to how it was in 1986 when all they had to worry about was finishing 11 songs, hopefully with one radio hit.

The thing is -- they could do that. But it would mean sacrificing a lot of their celebrity profile and ongoing projects, not to mention their (rather overdone, methinks) stage show.


3. Commercialism- I am not one of those fans that hates commercialism or trying to appeal to the masses. If the music is really good I could care less whether I am the only one that likes it or millions do.... It again points to lack of focus and direction for me. They need to be focused on totally cohesive records.

Yes, I agree with this too. And it relates to the other point you raise, above. There are probably far too many considerations in the mind of the band members nowadays. I don't know if this is their fault, though. I think it's just the inevitable trap a famous group finds itself in after years at the top.

There were some great songs recorded for the ALYCLB sessions (some of which made the album, which, though radio-slicked for mass appeal, was nevertheless somewhat of a piece and "complete"), some more great songs given very attention-grabbing, brash arrangement for HTDAAB, and a few great songs that made the cut for NLOTH. What stunned me on the latter album was how calculated the whole affair sounded. I think the fact that they spent two years or whatever working on "Stand Up Comedy", only to finish it with that generic Bon Jovi-esque track is rather telling.


So, those are your two points that I really agree with. Unlike you, I do think the live show has become too much of a spectacle, though. If they don't make contemporary albums that have the impact of the stage show, then they really are in the process of becoming the new Rolling Stones.

Nevertheless, I have written off U2 twice before during their career (at the start of the 90s and in the late 90s), and been wrong both times, so if anyone can regain a youthful zest and vitality, it's them. There's no doubt that they are still 100% committed to what they do, unlike every other band their age. It's just that the sands of time are continuously working against them.

I do think they would make it easier on themselves, however, if they lowed their expenditures (on touring, say), reduced their side-projects, and focused more on recording new tunes and releasing them as U2.
 
If U2 were (God forbid) to quit tomorrow, then looking as a whole I'd have to say that they peaked between 87-93, but hopefully they will carry on for a long time and produce some great albums in the future. NLOTH is pointing in the right direction and if they can build on that with SOA then who knows. I am optimistic but can they make albums as good as or better than Achtung or TJT?? I doubt it, but I am hopeful.
 
Let me preface this by saying I have been a huge fan from the day I got into music in high school. I probably fit the prototypical U2 fanactic category to a tee so it pains me to even bring up the topic. I am 37 years old so from an age perspective I also probably fit right into the sweet spot of a U2 fan having endured the highs and lows for 2 decades. Now if the answer is yes there is nothing wrong with that as there really are not any examples of bands at this age making the best music of their lives. If it is yes though I am bit depressed by it given how much the band has meant to me and how much they have been a part of my life.

Obviously music is very subjective but I think some U2 fanatics can't step back and evaluate things rationally so that is what I have done (I think). The final straw that brought me to this conclusion was opening night in Torino a few days ago and the quality of the 2 new songs debuted. Granted we have not heard studio versions of the songs so some context is missing but what I did hear really triggered what I have been thinking for the last year now. Its also just the first real performance of each but neither to me shows potential that I need for them to grown on me. I will say I commend and thank the band for taking a real risk to debut the songs which I think has been lacking in recent years.

The concerning part about the new songs is the fact that the band supposively has a ton of new material in the vault between the many projects that have started, stopped, retooled, and been revisited in just the last few years. So from a logical perspective I would think to debut songs live the band would have to feel the songs were very strong and would have to be at the top half of quality of what they have been working on. To add 2new songs to a set list in the low 20's is a decent part of the show so they need to work well. Personally I just don't feel that they are or did. So maybe the material they have been working on is not up to what I am expecting. Again given their age I would not be shocked and it would be understandable but as a fanatic I have to say I am disappointed.

So that is what triggered this for me but as I said its been brewing in my mind for a while. Here are the other factors that have led me to where I am at. Again i want to reiterate if the best is behind us I understand and hold no ill will towards the band. The ride has been tremendous and if its slowing down in terms of my enjoyment I am OK with that.

1. Too many projects- I don't think the band is as focused as in prior years. They seem to be very confused on what type of music to release and I am guessing they are not all in agreement on direction which is very important for them. I think the lack of focus may be a lack of confidence and possibly not feeling that their standards in material is being met. Understandable given their personal lives and what they have achieved. But I really think they need to lock themselves away together in a room and figure it out eliminating distractions as best as possible. Hopefully that will happen during the long break between the next leg.

2. The Edge- He is my favorite and to me is the most important ingredient. His creativity is the sole of the band. For the most part I love and dislike U2 songs based on the Edge's work. Looking at the last albums post POP I would say he is not as creative or is lacking in ideas. Again understandable given age, environment, and his guitar style. It could very well be he has run out of ways to skin the cat and needs to move in a different direction. However that is kind of a no win in that I love his trademark sounds so not sure a totally new direction would help me. I am not saying everything he produces lately is not creative or lacking but rather looking at the whole body of work. I hope the band is not holding him back in some way as I really think he creativity will always be the key.

3. Commercialism- I am not one of those fans that hates commercialism or trying to appeal to the masses. If the music is really good I could care less whether I am the only one that likes it or millions do. However I feel, particularly with the opening singles released on at least the last few albums the band is trying too hard to be relevant. I don't think it is natural for them and I think it holds them back from the creativity that truly inspires me and has made them so relevant for years. NLOTH for the most part was less about this however there were some glaring exceptions. It again points to lack of focus and direction for me. They need to be focused on totally cohesive records.

4. Live Shows- The spectacle is not an issue as I enjoy the creativity and trying to expand the visual aspect. The issue I see here is the song selection and execution. They have a huge catalogue yet continue to not stray too far from the classics. Sometimes that is OK but if you are going to do that you need to play those classics with the best presentation you can. WOWY and MW to me are shadows of their former performances and maybe this points to the Edge. I don't understand why he is leaving out the awesome solos that really make these songs what they are live. There is perhaps some passion or energy missing with these performances. I don't see how anyone can argue these songs are better w/out their solos so I am really confused by it. Again this is understandable with age but why keep playing them if you can't play them to the best of their standards. Part of this could be trying to fit everything neatly into a relatively scripted show. If that is the case they need to stop trying to fit everything so tightly into a neat package as it takes away from what they are capable of.

So that is where I stand on this. I am very thankful for the band and the fact they continue to produce quality music and performances for so long. They owe me nothing at this point and perhaps they truly have lost a little over the years which again is still better than most of what is out there today. It is their band and they can do whatever they want and I will continue to keep supporting them financially. I just think age may have gotten the best of them in different ways not just physically. I know they are capable of more and I hope I am wrong in my assessment.

Nice work by the way, I've been a u2 fanatic for around the same amount of time as you and can empathise with pretty much everything you say and share some of your fears.
Personally I'd be happy if they cut back on the touring and just recorded albums, ultimately historically this will be what their career will be judged on, but they love playing live so whatever makes them happy I suppose.
 
Wow just another case of someone who doesnt really like the recent stuff thinking their opinions and musical taste if far superior to that of those that do actually like the recent stuff
 
If U2 were (God forbid) to quit tomorrow, then looking as a whole I'd have to say that they peaked between 87-93, but hopefully they will carry on for a long time and produce some great albums in the future. NLOTH is pointing in the right direction and if they can build on that with SOA then who knows. I am optimistic but can they make albums as good as or better than Achtung or TJT?? I doubt it, but I am hopeful.

So what your saying is that if someone happens to find ATYCLB or HTDAAB U2's best work (which i dont) that they are wrong? just because a few people on the internet hate the albums?
 
So what your saying is that if someone happens to find ATYCLB or HTDAAB U2's best work (which i dont) that they are wrong? just because a few people on the internet hate the albums?

How did i know you'd pop up on this thread at some point??

Firstly, I took it as read that people would realise that this was merely my opinion..secondly Achtung and TJT are widely considered by critics and music fans to be U2's best albums, see virtually every poll taken on the best albums, Q, Rolling Stone etc over the last 10-15 years. So wouldn't it be fair to say that the majority view in the music world is that perhaps U2 peaked around the time those albums were written?
 
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Look, if someone tells me that U2 peaked with HTDAAB and that it's their best album I would say that they are wrong in much the same way as if a Beatles fan said the Beatles peaked with Let it Be or Magical Mystery Tour. I couldn't prove 100% that I was right but I'd be pretty damn sure I was and in both cases I'm sure the vast majority would back me up. In the end it's all about personal taste I suppose.
I wasn't being negative at all, I said NLOTH is a step in the right direction, I like the new tracks and I have every hope for their future output.
 
I wasn't around in the eighties (born in '89), and I had no idea who U2 was until 2001, but I always feel happy that the band is still going strong and I feel that I'm haven't missed out on anything.
Concerning live performances, this is maybe because I'm subconsciously jealous that I wasn't around, but if I could only see one U2 show in my entire life, I would much rather see a Vertigo or 360 show than a ZooTV or Popmart show, mainly because a U2 show for me isn't a U2 show without Beautiful Day or Vertigo. I love their new material as much as the old stuff, (except for Bomb, which is my least favourite U2 record), and when I look back at my three biggest highlights from Friday Turin show, which I attended, it's got to be Return of The Stingray Guitar, Crazy Tonight and Walk On. All songs written in the last 10 years. Ok, maybe With Or Without You doesn't set the house on fire like it did 20 years ago. I've seen 8 U2 shows, and I admit it, it only felt special twice hearing that song. But Vertigo was incredible every time. They're putting more energy and passion into the new songs, and why wouldn't they? Saying that, however, Mysterious Ways for instance has also been amazing every time I've heard it I don't think it's a "shadow of its former self" and it feels more fresh when played in the beginning of the set. Seriously, anyone doubting their whether their ability as a live band is fading, you should have seen them in Turin. It would seriously blow my mind if that performance was only 50% of what U2 was once capable of.

And concerning studio work, you can say what you want about commercialism, NLOTH could have been great if it wasn't for this, this and this, and yadda yadda yadda, to me, the record sounds great, and it's everything I ever wanted it to be. And judging from Soon, Stingray and North Star, whatever comes next is going to be great as well. I would have ATYCLB or NLOTH over Pop any day, actually.

Ever since hearing NLOTH and subsequently seeing U2360 for the first time last year, I sort of feel they're peaking right now. At least for me. I wasn't around back then, so of course that's easy for me to say, but I don't long for the band to do anything but what they're currently doing. And judging from this Friday, it looks like they'll continue on, full steam ahead for the next couple of years. Something I'm only grateful for.
 
U2 peaked between 87-93

Yes, passion is missing on many old songs (WOWY (Bono, Edge), MW (Edge, Larry), etc...).

Setlists is ok I guess, still every time a few surprises, but overall, they could shake it a bit more and drop SBS, ISHFWILF, Elevation, WOWY and play some other stuff, but nobody will ever be happy with the setlists anyway...

I love NLOTH a lot more than the 2 previous album. I love the Glastonburry song and even more the Intro before Beautiful Day, which I think is the best sound in years (reminds me of Muse a bit). So I'm very confident for the near future, U2 know they have to evolve in a way or another, and they will.
 
I love NLOTH a lot more than the 2 previous album. I love the Glastonburry song and even more the Intro before Beautiful Day, which I think is the best sound in years (reminds me of Muse a bit). So I'm very confident for the near future, U2 know they have to evolve in a way or another, and they will.[/QUOTE]

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U2 have had slow selling albums as well as fast.

its how it is............and I dont see it that there is 'best to come', or 'they have peaked', I just see it as they have always kinda re-invented their music style/image after gaps, and its our choice to whether we like the new stuff or not, but you can still be a fan no matter what.
 
And I'd like to add something concerning the setlist. I don't know if this is the proper thread for this, and this isn't directed at anyone particular, but here goes:

I'm sick and tired of hearing "U2360 is a greatest hits show."

Stop it. It's just not.
How is playing seven new songs from a their new album, one of which is a techno-house inspired remix a greatest hits show? The remix in particular is a bold move from a band that has built its success on post-punk, grandiose rock melodies. Crazy Tonight is anything but that. How is playing Ultraviolet and Unforgettable Fire instead of songs like The Fly, New Year's Day or I Will Follow a greatest hits show? Your Blue Room, Electrical Storm, Miss Sarajevo? Or THREE completely new, never before heard songs?

Elevation or Popmart, now that's a greatest hits show. Take a look at a random Elevation show or a random Popmart show. This "greatest hits" nonsense has to stop. I realise no setlist will ever be loved by everyone, but come on.
 
I havent heard that GodPart, but at that I dont think any of their recent concerts should be labelled 'Greatest Hits' just because they have a bit more of their past songs to play, due to a recent album or two. Or rather, if they vary the setlist better with classic old stuff.
 
peaking at what?
it always felt to me Unforgettable Fire - Rattle & Hum U2 only had to pick up their instruments and something great that no one else could create was there
Achtung & beyond some of the magic got replaced by hard work
not strange really, when you have to force change hard work is the best way to go about it

the marketing around ZOO TV was inspired for its time, truly brilliant

All that you can't ... was another inspired turn around, showing off the craft of songwriting at U2's highest level

No line ... to me is the perfect bland of inspiration and craft
for a band so far into its career .... remarkable doesn't start to describe it

as far as personal opinions go: I haven't missed a tour since Zooropa and I feel they just keep getting better live


the amount of projects they're involved with is relative
main difference is that back in the day 3 out of 4 of these projects would have led to actual releases in a 5 year time frame because they needed to release something
now they seem to spread it out to 2 fully worked out projects in a 7-8 year timeframe

commercially speaking, I think they really should have marketed No line a whole lot better
the timing seemed continiously off and the singles didn't get enough of a push marketing wise

I haven't listened to the new songs
I'll see them in 3 days anyway and I don't like my first exposure to new material being mediocre recordings


and I agree with BVS that this seems a weird point in time for these kind of reflections
 
in the last 20 years, i've gone through many peaks and valleys as a U2 fan. do these peaks and valleys influence my overall opinion of U2 at the time? definitely.
 
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