Mrs. Garrison
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I am crazy, yes.
Bono "Focus on the Family" program
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BVS
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Actually he said "I am not here to bring peace on Earth, but to bring a sword..." His point was that those that were looking for the end of war and violence with his coming will still be looking for that wasn't his purpose. The sword he brought was one that would sever and might possibly divide brothers; alluding to the severing and dividing of the current church. Jesus later on rebuked Peter for raising a literal sword.
You're correct but consider my audience.(also, BVS, I think the word you wanted to use to describe the story of the Flood is "allegory", not "analogy".)
As far as the vengeful God vs the loving God, yes there is a difference between the OT and NT and honestly it's a bit much to take on here in EYKIW.
Nick66
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You know Bono didn't actually mean for you to take that literally, right? And even so, it should have just been for the one night.
Exactly.
I share the same beliefs as Bono in regards to God and Christianity, but even I'm baffled that Bono would actually associate himself with FOTF. Maybe he's going with peace and not judging others, and trying to open the door for dialogue and understanding. If so, he's a lot stronger than me, and most people, regardless of faith.
Nick66
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I don't believe I, or anyone said otherwise. You certainly have the "right" to criticise Bono, and his faith, and who he meets with, all you wish. He's certainly not immune to criticism based on whatever reasonable, or unreasonable, basis you wish to criticise him on. I don't believe anyone is attempting to stop you.
Bono, on the other hand, has the right to aggressively ignore you when you do so. Clearly he meets with all kinds of people that others might not approve of, and clearly he doesn't give a fuck.
Nick66
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Well I think that's probably true.
Mrs. Garrison
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No, its never about one night. Ever. Its like this never ending string that if you pull it this way or that way you get different results. What? Okay, does the sweater come apart or does it mysteriously break apart and you never find its origins? Did you pull too hard, not hard enough? ETC.
Por qué no te callas?
Nick66
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The sounds of dismembered buttons clattering on a voyeur dorm room floor.
iron yuppie
ONE love, blood, life
But you did insinuate rather strongly than anyone who does criticize him in this instance is somehow less tolerant than he. That's the part with which I am taking issue.
gvox
Ghost of Love
The last part of your sentence Ill agree on, but for any serious student of the bible the first part couldn't be further from reality. The only difference between the NT and the OT is that in the NT God gives mankind a bit of a chance before smiting them..or, burning them for eternity in a lake of fire, depending on your "interpretation"
Why don't you knock off the insults? Attempting to hide it by saying it in Spanish doesn't count.
Do you even bothered to google what i said? I guess not. It means: why don't you be quiet? Is that an insult?
Haha
Btw, this phrase is a famous meme. It was said by the King of Spain when Hugo Chaves was talking the usual bla bla bla.
Mrs. Garrison
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When I was a kid we had a dog that always smiled. We never knew why until one day we saw him sniffing the cats butt....
Yeah, I know what it means. When you're just telling someone to, essentially, shut up, yeah, it is an insult. Well, not quite an insult, but more belligerent than necessary, for sure.
Nick66
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Hmmmm. Well, now that you mention it, yes, in this case you (and that's a rhetorical you), are less tolerant. If Bono is tolerant enough to meet with people he disagrees with...even people who have extreme views, and you aren't, then yes, you're less tolerant than him.
I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. Not tolerating things is a valuable part of the way we discriminate (another neutral term we've turned into a negative one). I don't tolerate bad mango, for example. Or bad books. But if Bono is tolerant enough to meet with people he disagrees with, and whose views he may find objectionable...and you have a problem with that, then yes, you're less "tolerant" than him. You may regard your intolerance as good and righteous thing, which it can be. But it's still intolerant. Or at least, less tolerant.
But, to be clear, I didn't mean to insinuate those who criticise Bono on this subject are less tolerant (though they are). What I did say, very directly, is that I admire both Bono's willingness to meet with people he disagrees with, and his willingness to flip off people who don't like it.
And as an aside, while I'm not a particularly religious person myself, for some reason I instinctively defend people who are being attacked for their faith. I guess I just can't tolerate it.
Oh i see. Now it's not exactly an insult.
And our poor boy is far from belligerent. He is pratically an angel who can't take a "shut up".
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Why are you guys surprised by this? He met the fucking pope, how many years ago? 10? That dude hates gays, porn, condoms, beer, women, abortion, pretty much everything "Focus On The Family" hate.
This is like an outrage grenade.
This is like an outrage grenade.
Mrs. Garrison
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Outrage grenade?
as opposed to what, a glitter bomb?
as opposed to what, a glitter bomb?
Von Schloopen
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Right.
How anyone can say they never associate or talk with people they disgree with is beyond me. Is that even possible? How does one manage that?
"Hi. I'm Charles. Nice to meet ya. I believe in blah, blah, blah. If you don't agree with me on any of these topics, I wish to cease all conversation and never speak with you again."
That has to work wonders.
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We could go your very complicated and nuanced route of "drawing a line in the sand" and comparing people to Nazis.
You need to let go of the giant Nick sized chip on your shoulder.
iron yuppie
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Hmmmm. Well, now that you mention it, yes, in this case you (and that's a rhetorical you), are less tolerant. If Bono it tolerant enough to meet with people he disagrees with...even people who have extreme views, and you aren't, then yes, you're less tolerant than him.
I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. Not tolerating things is a valuable part of the way we discriminate (another neutral term we've turned into a negative one). I don't tolerate bad mango, for example. Or bad books. But if Bono is tolerant enough to meet with people he disagrees with, and whose views he may find objectionable...and you have a problem with that, then yes, you're less "tolerant" than him. You may regard your intolerance as good and righteous thing, which it can be. But it's still intolerant. Or at least, less tolerant.
But, to be clear, I didn't mean to insinuate those who criticise Bono on this subject are less tolerant (though they are). What I did say, very directly, is that I admire both Bono's willingness to meet with people he disagrees with, and his willingness to flip off people who don't like it.
And as an aside, while I'm not a particularly religious person myself, for some reason I instinctively defend people who are being attacked for their faith. I guess I just can't tolerate it.
I see your point about the strict definition of the term "tolerance." My point, I suppose, is that tolerance of intolerance is often abetting a problem rather than a marker of an open mind. I'm generally a supporter of moral relativism, but I draw the line when specific demographics of people are being marginalized or discriminated against. That's just my perspective, though.
Whatever you say, boss man.
Are you calling Nick giant?
He may have a pituitary disorder. My sources have yet to confirm this.
cobl04
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Hmmmm. Well, now that you mention it, yes, in this case you (and that's a rhetorical you), are less tolerant. If Bono it tolerant enough to meet with people he disagrees with...even people who have extreme views, and you aren't, then yes, you're less tolerant than him.
I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. Not tolerating things is a valuable part of the way we discriminate (another neutral term we've turned into a negative one). I don't tolerate bad mango, for example. Or bad books. But if Bono is tolerant enough to meet with people he disagrees with, and whose views he may find objectionable...and you have a problem with that, then yes, you're less "tolerant" than him. You may regard your intolerance as good and righteous thing, which it can be. But it's still intolerant. Or at least, less tolerant.
But, to be clear, I didn't mean to insinuate those who criticise Bono on this subject are less tolerant (though they are). What I did say, very directly, is that I admire both Bono's willingness to meet with people he disagrees with, and his willingness to flip off people who don't like it.
And as an aside, while I'm not a particularly religious person myself, for some reason I instinctively defend people who are being attacked for their faith. I guess I just can't tolerate it.
Man, not even deep plays the devil's advocate card this hard.
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