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The Fly
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"Bono calls for control over internet downloads"
I'm surprised to not see any discussion about this article. I'd imagine that if Paul McGuinness said this, everyone would be complaining about about what an out of touch, money grubbing monster he is.
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Wow, you really missed his point didn't you?
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As far as I can tell his point is exactly what the title is. And to prove that this is possible, he points to China's government controlling what people can look at on the internet. He's not really going to get anyone on his side with that example.
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I have to say that I also disagree with Bono's stance. While file sharing can really be a problem for new, upcoming artists, it's really the record labels who are fighting the battle over lost profits. The labels are the people who want ISP to control Internet downloads. This is too much of a slippery slope that can lead to restrictions based strictly on greed, such as shutting down parody websites or other non-profit uses of music.
It goes without saying that something does need to be done about file-sharing. But what Bono and McGuinness are calling for feels more like a desperate attempt by the record labels to preserve their old and dying business model rather than coming up with a new model to fit the current climate. Plus, no matter how sincere Bono's intentions are or how much he says that it's not about U2's lost profits, the press and public will see it as U2 complaining about the problem for their own sakes. It'll be nearly impossible for the band to come out on top here. |
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Besides, the thing they say that it's not about U2's sales, it's about new bands... I think that's kinda BS, I mean, for new bands, the Internet is the best way to be heard by people from all over the world, they're not really getting affected by online downloads because artists really don't make fortunes out of discs sales. The one's that are really suffering the consequences are the record companies and big artists (Like U2) that have sweet deals with their RC's because of their high sales. And all of this coming from a person who still buys CD's. I'm not saying I bought every single album I have on my mp3 library but I do buy the ones I consider worth paying for, so I can have them in the best possible quality. |
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He also says this in the full text of that portion of the NY Times op-ed piece:
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The Fly
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I found Bono's actual quote:
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Well you can certainly put your music on the net, but getting people to actually discover it is a bit more difficult, especially when thousands of other bands are doing the same thing. I've read an article a while ago on this topic which listed ten best ways for a new artist/band to noticed, and I think only two of them had anything to do with internet.
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^^ I guess 2 is enough.
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It's far too early to come to any conclusive opinion about the downloading/file-sharing phenomenon (indeed, it's also too early to come to any final opinion about the effects of digital information & computers, since they've only been popular for 25 years).
One thing about the spread of computer-geeks, the Internet, and file sharing --- they have collectively shown that, in the digital-info era, bottom-up movements (starting from the people) are going to be more powerful than top-down initiatives of governments. This underscores how governments are completely incapable of meeting the world's environmental needs, as if the Copenhagen farce was needed to drive that point home. At some point, I have to assume that governments will find a way to charge people for digital forms of entertainment, but in the meantime I doubt it hurts the small artists much. I disagree with Bono here. Smaller, independently-signed artists who have no top 100 singles, no appearances on television, and no radio play are not really worried about people downloading their music. They make their money from live appearances. I was initially hopeful -- about 6 or 7 years ago -- that the downloading revolution would...er, revolutionize live performance, by putting the onus back on the ability to perform live, since that domain is the one aspect of major-label music that cannot be downloaded. However, the continued proliferation of 'American Idol' type pseudo-music vile trash has proven me wrong (so far). I predict that at some point soon, a new phenomenon will emerge of local artists, who travel no further than their own counties, performing live and only performing live. The very idea of making records and promoting them will become associated only with the corporate world and will be discredited by college/indie-rock fans. The "cool" groups of the future will play live and make no records. Sorry, didn't mean to come across all William S. Burroughs on your asses. |
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Unfortunately agreed.
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How about at least trying to read Bono's ORIGINAL remarks first before you make a judgement? We may or may not agree on what he (or Paul McGuiness) have to say on this subject, but we should know by now that the media likes to take quotes out of context to make the original writer look bad, and they especially like to do that with Bono, so please don't follow their example. Bono clearly pointed out China's methods of censoring internet content as a negative example. It would be helpful to actually read HIS article before reading the inevitable media bashing that comes every time after Bono releases something for the media. He made his point on this issue long ago and has since than stood behind it, whether you agree with it or not. I don't agree with everything Bono is doing and when I read that particular passage I simply KNEW it would get him some bashing again, I'm sure he's up for it. There is some other interesting stuff in it. Anton Zeilinger is basically a collegue of mine, we both work for the Austrian Academy of Sciences ![]() Apart from that, the article is rather pointless, but hey, not everything that B writes has to contain the weight of world affairs I guess. I liked his piece on Berlin best. |
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He shouldn't have said all this. He is becoming a second Lars Ullrich |
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I can't believe my eyes, Bono wants to be paid for his job, how he dares... greedy bastard!! He should be happy just knowing that his music is listened by people, who is he to defy the present status quo, if I want some music I take it, it is my right, why should I pay for something I can have for free? and of course I pay, I've bought my wideband connection, that is not free, so I can get all the contents I want at once, in my case I pay about 30 Euros a month, which makes about 360 Euros a year, I don't think I ever spent 360 Euros in music in the past, but I can also enter really entertaining pages and forums like this and well, I'm used now to get all kind of music, even that I would never get if it weren't free, I'm so generous with my time I give them an opportunity and I think I couldn't now restrict it to the music I really enjoy, you know. I want all! so I can compare, well I have to admit I'm also delighted when I have some music my friends don't, but that's a little side effect. I know what happens, it's not only Bono, it is those greedy music corporations that want their companies to survive, they have employees, well we are in a crisis, they should have forseen this and ask for new jobs, some of them could surely find something in the internet companies, some can build file-sharing sites and live on the advertisements, but no, they just want to keep their piece of the cake instead of figuring up a new form for the music bussiness. I agree with those who think that we are at the awakening of a new model based on local artists who will build their reputation mouth to mouth and will perform locally to smaller audiences (maybe in the streets, 50 - 60 people will be enough even if we are talking about a large pedestrian street) with a new kind of exchange for their art where the audience can give the artist what they find fair for their performance or nothing if they don't feel like it. I don't really believe that the quality of the music will get down, I don't think a home recorded song with domestic technology will be that different from the ones recorded in a studio with proffessional means and engineers, I doubt artists are really that artistic when they need so many things and people to produce an album, and finally I don't believe it is the young bands who will be worst hit, young people always have their parents!!!
My conclusion is that Bono, MacGuinness and the record labels are all greedy bastards who just want to get money from their work and restrict my right of getting whatever I want for free, of course I'm not a greedy bastard who just want to take everything I can without paying to the people who create it, if I were, I would have to admit that either I am a thief or that I'm in favour of slavery and it doesn't sound politically correct nowadays, so much better I'll bitch with the China example and I'll turn the attention of the people to a different issue. |
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Marien, that was entertaining --- slightly over-cooked, but tasty.
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I wounder why there arent almost any records stores anymore in Sweden?
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Most people I know, including me, still buy music.
Well I guess it's because we're not part of the "college and indie music fan" community. I understand Bono is talking about the younger generation of artists here, but it's also understandable media and music fans jump on him because it seems he's complaining about himself and his band. Maybe the argument wouldn't be so controversial if Paul McGuiness hadn't gone around running his mouth about this issue at ever occasion in recent years. |
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Yes, heaven's above, those rowdy whippersnappers! Indie, schmindie! Where do they get off on talken about this college?
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Not just Sweden, I was recently in Norway, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Finland, I found one record store in each. Even in London it's not as easy as it was, it's only really HMV that sell CDs here, and then you have to get past all the ipod and playstation games to find any music.
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