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I had horrible moments getting tix from propaganda, I think it was Popmart...I remember friends showing up minutes before the concert and getting better tix from the box office... So that's what I did for Elevation and always got great tix...

You're just not going to drop it are you? I have my opinion you have yours that in itself should be enough. Insinuating that you DO know what goes on behind closed doors because of some lame interviews which are only done to promote a product and convey an image, could be just as arrogant and...

I used to be a drummer, and have played gigs here and there, mostly for the fun of it, but I've been around guys who take their instruments seriously. Adam was always the one they referred to as the scholarship guy, because he hasn't done anything extraordinary and has enjoyed the ride...

Can only talk about the tours I've been too, no matter how good the bootleg or DVD, it isn't quite the same, so Zooropa London Wembley Stadium, Popmart Chicago Soldier Field, and second Miami (Sunrise) show Elevation for me (just having them come in with the house lights on was awesome). Went...

I agree, you could even make a case for the opposite too, Zooropa has hopeful lyrics, but is a bit dark in its music, don't you think? That's what's great about this band, they have done pretty much everything...while sounding good. JT is a real downer in terms of lyrics, as well as AB, but the...

I sort of lost you...I haven't gone back to your other posts to know exactly what you're getting at...so sorry for my laziness You don't agree that U2 is a singles band, as in worried or focused on a certain single rather than the album as a whole?

Yeah, I also think that One was not really a hopeful song, it has some very dark lyrics to it, but people interpreted as song of unity..and that's fine, but don't you think in a way Bono used the fan's interpretation to the band's favor, on Popmart (the images on the screen for example) and...

Nothing wrong with optimism in my mind...hell, we need more of it now than ever...and I guess I don't have a big enough ego to answer that question...you have that answer, but I guess the one thing that comes to mind (I don't know why) is some of the Beatles music...sorry

I see what you mean, I miss that risk taking part a lot, but as I said before, maybe it does have something to do with age and the fact that in terms of sound they have done so much, that it is difficult at this point to come up with something new, at least new for them. Maybe the tour will be...

Hey we agree on something!!! Except, Discotheque, which I think is a great song, not in the league of the others you mentioned, but better than Boots, much better...and I agree that it took some balls to release that song, at that time in their careers with THAT video, and I think in general...

And I'm not saying you should....just as you think you have enough info to formulate and state something that you think is true, doesn't make it so...and the same goes for me...none of us were there when they chose what songs to put on the album or for heard their reasons for doing so...I'm not...

Man, who said anything about being infallible? Everyone at one point or another has made a decision thinking it was the right thing to do, only to find out AFTER that it was a mistake. Again, I'm just assuming that when decision making time comes, they, like most people, do what they think is...

Again, it's your opinion and a very valid one...and yes there is more info out now, but, I still don't think we know everything that goes on in their decision making process..they can say whatever they want to the press, and I'm sure they are sincere at it, but this is the album they wanted to...

I agree with you on pretty much everything, however regarding Lillywhite, I just had to say something because he's being bashed around so much. The fact that he did some amazing work with the band is something I don't think should be forgotten. Yeah, maybe he's not the best choice right now...

Well. once again and for the last time, we should assume that whatever it is they do at a certain time, is exactly what THEY thought should have been done, under their own circumstances which we know NOTHING about. It would seem kind of ridiculous to think that after a certain age, any...

I agree with you 100%, and that's why so many on this forum care..because U2's has cared, maybe for different reasons, maybe The Fly was never intended to be a number one song, but just to get out on the radio this "new U2 sound", but I agree that they have always been very careful, for whatever...

It just means to trust U2, even if after a few years you think it wasn't the best decision...like I said, they are in charge and they decide ultimately what gets released, and ultimately, by their track record it's safe to say (I think) that they have been spot on most of the time. Nobody knows...

Well, I guess in your case it's just easier to bash them and think that it's very questionable the decisions they have made based on the 20 million albums they've sold this decade alone, and two hugely successful tours, one of which is the second highest grossing tour of all time...do YOU see...

Again, as I said your opinion is as valuable and worthy as mine and of everyone on the forum...I'm just saying that THEY are the ones making the decisions and have been right more often than not. I'm NOT saying that nobody can give their opinion or second guess them BECAUSE nobody here has...

I don't know how much we really know about the whole U2 process of making albums (or any other band for that matter). It's all speculation and makes for a great thread. Having said that, we shouldn't doubt these guys at all, and always think that whatever they do is the correct thing to do...

Damn, can we at least wait until the tour starts to have these discussions? And I'm so amazed that Pop generates so much passion in the U2 community..and if chart positions are your thing, then please don't blast Discotheque as it's the last top 10 song U2's had in the US, and it went gold...

:lol: You're probably right, even though it's weirder still that they hadn't noticed U2 until after (at the time) 25 years in music :lol: BTW, just to get on topic, NLOTH is worthy as a single, and I agree that it's the freshest track on the album..at least it sounds different and good at...

Surely off topic, but isn't it weird that U2 won 15 of the 22 grammys off their two previous albums, which are good but not great? Didn't know this fact...

Really? Do you remember it like that? My recollection is that it was a huge hit right out of the gate...in fact, I don't know of any other U2 album that upon release was received with higher praise all across the board. I do remember that it was the time when all the Bono thinks he's God...

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