US Politics XXXVIII: "Patriots" vs Reality

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I think "mostly spineless" would be the best way to describe Pence. I think he just went along with a lot of things and was afraid to speak up until the very end where it hit his threshold.
 
as they say in germany, "if there's a nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table of 11 nazis".

mike pence is a fascist.
 
no, you specified being anti-LGBTQ, not "being an asshole". but whatever.

mike pence was literally the second-in-command for the fascist in chief for 4+ years before finally saying "hold up" at the very end when shit went way too far. somehow that makes him not a fascist. okay.
I said being anti LGBTQ makes you an asshole. It doesn't necessarily make you a fascist.

You twisted that around by saying show me a fascist who isn't anti LGBTQ.

I'm done here. Feel free to consider that "victory" if you would like.
 
no, you specified being anti-LGBTQ, not "being an asshole". but whatever.

mike pence was literally the second-in-command for the fascist in chief for 4+ years before finally saying "hold up" at the very end when shit went way too far. somehow that makes him not a fascist. okay.



Weren’t you the guy who, post-2016 election, and based on your proclaimed deep knowledge of European history, took great offense at anyone calling anything Trump-related “fascist” or “neofascist”? Because it couldn’t ever be “real” fascism?
 
Weren’t you the guy who, post-2016 election, and based on your proclaimed deep knowledge of European history, took great offense at anyone calling anything Trump-related “fascist” or “neofascist”? Because it couldn’t ever be “real” fascism?

yeah, and the crux of my argument back then was that this new thing was quite different from italian and classic 20th century european fascism, and it should instead be called Trumpism.

over the last 5 or so years though i realize old sinclair lewis was right - it's the exact same damn thing, just wrapped in the stars and stripes and carrying a cross.
 
US Politics XXXVIII: "Patriots" vs Reality

no, you specified being anti-LGBTQ, not "being an asshole". but whatever.

mike pence was literally the second-in-command for the fascist in chief for 4+ years before finally saying "hold up" at the very end when shit went way too far. somehow that makes him not a fascist. okay.



He only did the right thing cause Dan Quayle told him to

Also i think they all fit within a scale of authoritarian to fascist.

Anywhere on this scale is bad news for our country. We are really hanging on by a thread as Mitch blocked so many Obama judges and filled them under Trump administration

We are going to be one election away from falling into authoritarian rule for generations. It’s why even a Christie or Haley presidency would still harm us, just further down the road.

Tho I’m not sure how much longer the road goes on considering the climate is burning it up
 
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yeah, and the crux of my argument back then was that this new thing was quite different from italian and classic 20th century european fascism, and it should instead be called Trumpism.

over the last 5 or so years though i realize old sinclair lewis was right - it's the exact same damn thing, just wrapped in the stars and stripes and carrying a cross.



Gotcha.

I agree.
 
Leaving out the moderators-- the most fuckable person on stage though was clearly Mike Pence. Just make sure you're not a woman as he can't go within 100 feet of you.
 
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Pence was admittedly a bad choice... but ultimately when it was time to stop the cosplay and go full fascism, he backed off.

With time to think - I do believe my point was technically correct in a "all snakes are reptiles but not all reptiles are snakes" kinda way - but ultimately my point does not matter so long as the remaining Republicans continue to either support and/or not condone the obvious fascist behavior of the current GOP presumptive nominee.
 
Pence was admittedly a bad choice... but ultimately when it was time to stop the cosplay and go full fascism, he backed off.

With time to think - I do believe my point was technically correct in a "all snakes are reptiles but not all reptiles are snakes" kinda way - but ultimately my point does not matter so long as the remaining Republicans continue to either support and/or not condone the obvious fascist behavior of the current GOP presumptive nominee.
Yep, and the solution here is to chip away one by one. Christie, NH's governor, etc. It's possible, just need more if them to grow spines and step up.
 
US Politics XXXVIII: "Patriots" vs Reality

T-shirt sales with his mug on them will be thru the roof

Hoping U2 makes a mask out of it for their Vegas shows

Perfect for American Soul
 
T-shirt sales with his mug on them will be thru the roof

Hoping U2 makes a mask out of it for their Vegas shows

Perfect for American Soul

I was more thinking "Big Girls Are Best" featuring his soon to be big spoon.
 
I bet he won't get a mug shot afterall.

But if he does -- THAT FUCKER WILL SMILE.
 
He probably wants the uuuge ratings and picked the time himself to be in prime time.

He behaves as if he's still on The Apprentice and it's all just a game to him. He's just worried that his mug shot will be too orange and all chin, just like that picture that Fox uses that he complained about.

(Bloomberg) -- Donald Trump will surrender at 7:30 p.m. Thursday at the Fulton County Jail in Atlanta on charges that he conspired to overturn the result of the 2020 presidential election, he said in a post on his Truth Social platform.
 
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