Biggest Grossing Tours Of All Time

[Moggio]

But you said U2 did not have a hope in hell of filling a stadium in Tennessee last year just before the date was announced.

No, I said they don't have a hope in hell filling a stadium in Tennessee WITHOUT THE HELP of other nearby markets. And they are skipping nearby markets like Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky and even the Carolinas.

So, what I said is true.

 

[Moggio]

1. Your forgetting that U2 is restricting themselves to playing stadiums only in 360 since that is the theme of the tour. There is still plenty of more concert demand to see U2 in smaller venues like Arena's and Theaters that is not being counted by this tour, but was by the Rolling Stones A Bigger Bang Tour.

Hardly.

2. Do you really think the Stones could play 110 shows in 360 and outgross U2 let alone beat them in attendance? I would say there is always a chance if they announce the next tour as their final tour, but the Stones only played the following number of stadiums on their past tours and all of them were in 270 configerations:

91 stadiums in 270 on A Bigger Bang
40 stadiums in 270 on the Licks tour
96 stadiums in 270 on Bridges To Babylon/No Security
127 stadiums in 270 on Voodoo Lounge
112 stadiums in 270 on Steel Wheels.

Earth to Maoil: The Rolling Stones have consistently outgrossed U2 with EVERY single tour they've performed since U2 started touring. And that's not going to all of a sudden stop now, especially since their 50th Anniversary tour will apparently be happening relatively soon...

3. From 2001 to 2009, Madonna played 248 shows and grossed $804 million and played to 6.3 million people. On just this one tour of 110 shows, U2 will gross an estimated $740 million and play to more than 7 million people. Essentially, with just this one tour, U2 has topped what Madonna did over a decade of 248 shows, and remember, were not counting the demand that is still left for U2 to play arena's and theaters. Are you still going to insist that Madonna is still the top concert draw in the world when her combined attendance and gross over a decade nearly loses out to a single tour of just 110 shows?

That's not even remotely close to a fair comparison. Like I said a few pages ago...the reason why Madonna's demand levels for the markets she now plays frequently do not increase, is strictly because she plays them virtually every other year and has for the past 10 years. The same thing has happened for U2 on their 360 tour. They have played or are going to play ONE show return engagements (with the exception of Metro LA because of the abnormal size of the Rose Bowl) in Paris, Toronto, Chicago, Metro NYC/NJ and Metro Washington, DC. Whereas, on U2's first trips through these markets 1-2 years ago, they were playing TWO shows in each market (with the exception of Metro Washington, DC because of the abnormal size of FedEx Field). And hence demand is basically HALF of what it was on their first trips through.

If U2 started touring ALMOST EVERY OTHER YEAR like Madonna now does, there is NO way in hell that they would sustain and/or increase their ticket sales gross levels in the markets that they'd play that often. AND YOU KNOW IT.

Also, there is PLENTY of demand for Madonna in other markets, since she only usually plays 40-60 shows per tour.

Not only that, but ONCE AGAIN, based on 110 scheduled shows, the 360 tour, NOT U2, will have a ticket sales gross of over $700 million. U2 themselves will have a ticket sales gross in the $640-$650 million range.

 

[Moggio]

Since were talking about FACT, I'll list for you the only known facts about GNR's 1991 to 1993 tour:

Metallica/Guns N Roses Tour 1992
ATTENDANCE: 844,118
SHOWS: 18

Guns N Roses Use Your Illusion Tour 1991-1993
ATTENDANCE: 1,139,444
SHOWS: 65

This is all that is factually known about the tour in terms of attendance from what was posted in Billboard Boxscore. Obviously this is barely half of the tour dates, but these figures are the only one's that cannot be disputed in any way and fit the definition of FACT.

Nope. In 1992, the Use Your Illusion tour attendance total was 3,003,086 and the three UK/European legs attendance total was 2,021,000. Don't think it's correct? PROVE IT'S WRONG.

The FACT that YOU even admitted that the Use Your Illusion tour was attended by close to 6 million people, shows that even YOU now believe that it is one of the highest attended tours in music history...

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

You CANNOT PROVE that the Use Your Illusion tour stats I posted are incorrect.

The Burden of proof is on those that present a number as factual yet provide no source backing it up. There is NO source in the fan link for the number.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

If I thought you even knew one fraction of the knowledge it takes to determine concert demand for ANY artist, I'd take what you're saying seriously. But I don't, so I won't.

Wow, from the guy that predicted U2 attendance would be the following in these markets on 360

Dallas - 28,000

Raleigh - 31,000

Charlotesville - 31,000

Houston - 31,000

Norman - 31,000

As a matter of fact, there will not be a single date on this entire tour that will be as low as ANY of these MOGGIO predictions.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Nope. In 1992, the Use Your Illusion tour attendance total was 3,003,086 and the three UK/European legs attendance total was 2,021,000. Don't think it's correct? PROVE IT'S WRONG.

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I don't have to because I'm not claiming the number is a fact, YOU ARE! If you want to claim something is a FACT, then YOU have to prove it.

The FACT that YOU even admitted that the Use Your Illusion tour was attended by close to 6 million people, shows that even YOU now believe that it is one of the highest attended tours in music history

I did not admit, I estimated tour attendence myself to be about 5.8 million, but 600,000 of that is thanks to Metallica, so for GNR were talking 5.2 million. I never said that was not a large number or not one of the highest attended tours of all time.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

No, I said they don't have a hope in hell filling a stadium in Tennessee WITHOUT THE HELP of other nearby markets. And they are skipping nearby markets like Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky and even the Carolinas.

So, what I said is true.

There is no "without the help" in the post. You made of list of markets that U2 would not have a hope in hell of a filling a stadium in, and Tennessee was in the list.

Based on what you stated in the post, your assessment about U2 and Tennessee was wrong.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

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Earth to Maoil: The Rolling Stones have consistently outgrossed U2 with EVERY single tour they've performed since U2 started touring. And that's not going to all of a sudden stop now, especially since their 50th Anniversary tour will apparently be happening relatively soon...





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Well, the Stones did take a dip in attendance and gross for their 40th anniversery tour. Again, the Stones best shot of beating U2 360, at least in gross, is by announcing it as the last tour.

Do you really think the Stones could outgross U2 with an exclusive 360 tour of 110 stadium dates. No playing arena's, or theaters, JUST STADIUMS.

I mean, their average attendance on the 147 A Bigger Bang Tour was only 32,000. Excluding the arena's and theaters, their stadium average was only a little over 40,000. At an average price of $119 dollars, they would need to get at least 56,000 people per stadium show with 110 dates just to tie U2. They couldn't do that on A Bigger Bang though. They were well below that failing to sellout most stadium shows in a 270 configeration.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Hardly.

Ok, tell us what markets U2 would not be able to fill an arena in this fall?

Tell us what markets U2 would not be able to fill a theater in this fall?

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

That's not even remotely close to a fair comparison. Like I said a few pages ago...the reason why Madonna's demand levels for the markets she now plays frequently do not increase, is strictly because she plays them virtually every other year and has for the past 10 years.

Maybe not fair for U2, but its more than fair for Madonna. Madonna gets to count ALL OF HER SHOWS, 248 of them over the past ten years.
U2 on the other only get to count ONE tour restricted to the playing of stadiums. Thats it.

When she tours or how often she tours is irrelevant in this comparison. She gets to count every freaken show from the entire decade.

The only other thing I could do to make it even more fair would be to count all her shows of her entire 30 year career. But U2's last two tours combined, 360 and Vertigo would defeat that, both in gross and attendance.

How can you be the top draw in the world, when your entire tour career gross and attendance combined CAN'T beat another artist's two most recent tours?

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

[/COLOR][/FONT]the reason why Madonna's demand levels for the markets she now plays frequently do not increase, is strictly because she plays them virtually every other year and has for the past 10 years.

Just wanted to point a few things out for you.

Madonna has done four tours since 2000

Drowned World Tour - 2001

3 year gap

Re-invention World Tour - 2004

2 year gap

Confessions Tour - 2006

2 year gap

Sticky & Sweet Tour - 2008-2009


Something else you don't seem to under stand is that Madonna usually skips markets each tour so the GAP is more than just the two or three years for each tour, but actually FOUR or FIVE years for MOST MARKETS.

The following markets, are the only markets that Madonna has played on each of these tours:

IN EUROPE
London
Paris

IN NORTH AMERICA
Philadelphia
New York City
Boston
Miami
Chicago
Las Vegas
Oakland
Los Angeles


Thats just ten markets being hit EACH TOUR. Every other market played over the past decade has experienced a considerably longer gap in being played.

She has only played stadiums in 4 of these markets on the past four tours! She has NEVER played a stadium one tour and then played it again on the next tour in ANY of the above TEN markets. In fact, in her ENTIRE career, she has only done that in LONDON back in the late 80s and early 90s.

 

[CosmoKramer]

If I thought you even knew one fraction of the knowledge it takes to determine concert demand for ANY artist, I'd take what you're saying seriously. But I don't, so I won't.

LOL!!!! Writes the guy who originally predicted U2 would gross $475 million on their current tour. Then as you saw real numbers come in you kept upping your prediction...LOL

You predict that U2 couldn't fill a stadium in Tennesse and the when they do you write they will ONLY gross 4.5-5 million, wait, I thought they couldn't fill stadium?????? Then Maoi calls you out and you LIE about what you originally wrote. Youseem to know a lot about the industry but when it comes to U2 you don't know your a** from your elbow. Keep making excuses because I'm entertained how they always change when you are proven wrong over and over again.

 

[U2FanPeter]

QUOTE=U2FanPeter;7165900]Wasn't Salt Lake City a slightly soft sales wise?quote]

last year I checked the sales of Salt Lake 1 week before the show was supposed to happen and there was a little over 4,000 seat tickets available. They sold over 1,000 tickets 2 weeks before the show, so the last week could've sold 2,000 maybe? With the field tickets which were sold out I'm guessing there would have been at least 47,000 ish tickets sold for Salt Lake which isnt bad at all.

As of 2 weeks ago Salt Lake City had 9,016 seats left so with a capacity of 46,500 they've sold 37,484 seats and there are currently 98 field tickets left. So 42,000 ish tickets sold as of right now?

When looking at current sales on ticketmaster they are getting closer and closer to what they were in 2010.

Since there were over 1 million tickets sold to 16 shows the average attendance would have been 62,500 which is slightly lower than 2009.

I did check out the non-TM site, but can you actually tell how many tickets have sold to date and that all potential sections have been put onsale?

Floor GA are still available?

 

[U2FanPeter]

Booking stadiums for events like this is not looking booking a birthday party at your local Chucky Cheese. Arthur Fogal would tell you that there are always problems to face when booking a tour of this size. This is the most expensive tour ever in history. There are lots of things that have to be worked out on both ends.

If the additional North American cities added 600,000 or so tickets, did Fogul miscalculate or was that added demand from the postponement?

I don't see how this is relevant.

For u2 first/last dates of a tour leg have always sold faster that other dates within a tour leg in similar sized markets. With all the date shuffling and added cities, EIGHT different cities have had that distinction within a single tour leg.

2. Its more challenging to fill stadiums in 360 110 times on a single tour than having the luxury of playing any venue in any configeration that suits the drawing power of the band. The Stones could play stadiums in 270, arena's in 360, arena's in 270, music halls, theaters etc. Its easier to book more shows and meet the true demand to see the artist when your allowed to book any venue instead of being restricted to playing stadiums in 360.

Are you suggesting the Stones did theaters out of market necessity?

U2 did "select market" tour routing and had day 1 tickets that were heavily discounted. Prior to Bigger Bang, Stones usually announced full itineraries.

3. Lets take a look at the averages.

U2 360 TOUR: TOTAL STATS TO DATE

GROSS: $519,599,484
ATTENDANCE: 5,051,275
Average Gross: $6,661,532
Average Attendance: 64,760
Average Ticket Price: $102.87
Shows: 78
Sellouts: 78


ROLLING STONES A BIGGER BANG TOUR STATS

GROSS: $558,255,524
ATTENDANCE: 4,680,000
Average Gross: $3,797,657
Average Attendance: 31,837
Average Ticket Price: $119.29
Shows: 147
Sellouts: 81

The fact is, there is very little difference in average ticket prices for the two tours. Although U2 have a smaller average ticket price, they have a much higher average gross per show, and their average attendance per show is more than double that of the Rolling Stones.

Did you just directly compare 360 stadiums to 270 arenas and theaters?

Well if they could, why didn't they? Also, are you claiming that demand to see the Rolling Stones is less now than it was in the 1990s?

Stones didn't do stadium 360 tours in the past the same reason U2 didn't: technology didn't exist, both scaffolding and screens. Plus economics of the 360 means that however "innovative" it may genuinely be, no act/promoter(including LN) in the future would likely take on such a financial gamble.

Are you saying that the Stones need a Senior benefit of some sort? Can 60 year olds be compared to 70 year olds? How about 30 years olds to 50 year olds? Or 20 year olds to 50 year olds? Since when is this a factor in judging what is most popular, most in demand etc.?

Again, are you claiming that there was greater demand to see the Stones in concert in the 1990s than today?

Don't forget to look at the average ticket price for the shows.

By the way, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards are not in their 70s. As of today, both are 67. Bono will be 51 in 40 days.

By the time they tour next year for a big anniversary Charlie will be 70. If Wyman comes along he will be 75. Keith had some bad gigs in 2007.

Yes, The Stones had some markets slip after the 90's. IMO, they milked all the "once in a lifetime gig" markets like Moncton/Regina that are tough to repeat and padded recent tour totals. Every year is farther away from the last hit and prime period albums. Wyman is currently past the average life expectancy of many of the countries the Stones would play next year.

 

[CosmoKramer]

if they did a full stadium tour, the average attendance you quoted of 44,000 from 42 stadium shows would be way off, since, apart from other factors, there wouldn't be any return engagements and hence the $170 million gross would be more like $150 million. And even though their average gross would be nearly $3.6 million per night, there would be less than 30,000 fans per night (or around 33,000 fans per night, if prices only go up with inflation from 2005)...and even less than that if they played more shows here. So, we'd obviously be looking at PopMart-type attendance...

Now I have never claimed to be a pro when it comes to predicting tour grosses but Moggio claims this over and over.

Take your pick of embarrassing predictions: 30,000 fans per night, PopMart like attendance or 3.6 million per night gross.

Now let's wait for the strategic scheduling excuse followed by the openers excuse. So musicians have been touring since the mid 1900's but the industry suddenly figured out how to nearly double an artists gross potential in 2009 and the only shared it with U2!

 

[robbrecon72]

I did check out the non-TM site, but can you actually tell how many tickets have sold to date and that all potential sections have been put onsale?

Floor GA are still available?

yeah on smithstix you can actually punch in the highest number of tickets available for each section and figure out how many tickets are left for each one. last year i noticed they opened up the rest of the sections closer to the date of the concert and most were behind the stage and some were in the corners of the stadium..probably had waited for visibility purposes, so I am assuming they are all open now because tickets were returned sporatically for a lot of sections so I think every section is probably open since tickets were bought in every possible section of the stadium.

yep i just checked and there are 96 GA tickets left. there were around 1500 available after the show was reschduled when people had returned tickets. there were roughly 9-10 thousand tickets returned to this show last year. they've sold back about half that many as of now.

as of two weeks ago with the exception of salt lake there are 24 shows with....

119 sections left with single tickets only.
96 completely sold out sections.
59 sections with multiple tickets left.

ill post results in another week or so to see how well they are selling

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

If the additional North American cities added 600,000 or so tickets, did Fogul miscalculate or was that added demand from the postponement?

Well, they only added 6 shows and they are not going to be 100,000 people at any of those 6 shows:

Nashville 45,000
Winnipeg 45,000
Pittsburgh 55,000
Baltimore 70,000
St. Louis 45,000
Mocton 100,000

TOTAL: 360,000

These shows were not booked in 2010 because there was not room in the schedule. If there had been, they would have sold a minimum of 288,000 tickets at these shows, about 80% by my estimates. The delay because of Bono's injury helps to add about 72,000 tickets for these shows maximum.

For u2 first/last dates of a tour leg have always sold faster that other dates within a tour leg in similar sized markets. With all the date shuffling and added cities, EIGHT different cities have had that distinction within a single tour leg.

I would say that is still questionable in terms of revelance and its doubtful that any of it was by design. Again this is a massive production that moves across the country. There are too many things that would take priority or be a forced reality before one could consider such things.

Are you suggesting the Stones did theaters out of market necessity?

Well, why waste time playing Radio City Music Hall or the Beacon Theater if that time could be used playing another show or two at Madison Square Garden?

U2 did "select market" tour routing and had day 1 tickets that were heavily discounted.

Having been to multiple shows on the tour, I don't know anyone that got a ticket discount. I certainly did not get a discount, nor did anyone I know. The average ticket price for this tour is over $102 dollars and that is the only thing you need to know as far as prices are concerned.

Did you just directly compare 360 stadiums to 270 arenas and theaters?

The following are the official tour statistics for the entire Rolling Stones A Bigger Bang Tour including every show played whether it was in a STADIUM, Arena, mid-sized concert hall, or theater!


ROLLING STONES A BIGGER BANG TOUR STATS

GROSS: $558,255,524
ATTENDANCE: 4,680,000
Average Gross: $3,797,657
Average Attendance: 31,837
Average Ticket Price: $119.29
Shows: 147
Sellouts: 81

The following is what U2 has done at 78 stadium shows so far on the current tour:


U2 360 TOUR: TOTAL STATS TO DATE

GROSS: $519,599,484
ATTENDANCE: 5,051,275
Average Gross: $6,661,532
Average Attendance: 64,760
Average Ticket Price: $102.87
Shows: 78
Sellouts: 78

Plus economics of the 360 means that however "innovative" it may genuinely be, no act/promoter(including LN) in the future would likely take on such a financial gamble.

Except if the artist doing the tour is U2! The tour is making massive amounts of money for the band and Live Nation is not going to walk away from a tour that is about to be the most successful in history.

Thing is for a tour of this scale, you have to gross $300 million to $400 million just to break even, which means only the Stones and U2 can make a profit from a tour of this scale.

Yes, The Stones had some markets slip after the 90's. IMO, they milked all the "once in a lifetime gig" markets like Moncton/Regina that are tough to repeat and padded recent tour totals.

Ah, but MOGGIO would say that the Stones have increased in popularity with each tour. After all look at the grosses:

Steel Wheels - $185 million
Voodoo Lounge - $320 million
Bridges To Babylon/No Security - $339 million
40 Licks - $311 million
A Bigger Bang Tour - $558 million

By the way, Bill Wyman is not in the Rolling Stones and hasn't been for 20 years!

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

yeah on smithstix you can actually punch in the highest number of tickets available for each section and figure out how many tickets are left for each one. last year i noticed they opened up the rest of the sections closer to the date of the concert and most were behind the stage and some were in the corners of the stadium..probably had waited for visibility purposes, so I am assuming they are all open now because tickets were returned sporatically for a lot of sections so I think every section is probably open since tickets were bought in every possible section of the stadium.

yep i just checked and there are 96 GA tickets left. there were around 1500 available after the show was reschduled when people had returned tickets. there were roughly 9-10 thousand tickets returned to this show last year. they've sold back about half that many as of now.

as of two weeks ago with the exception of salt lake there are 24 shows with....

119 sections left with single tickets only.
96 completely sold out sections.
59 sections with multiple tickets left.

ill post results in another week or so to see how well they are selling

Thanks for keeping track of sales for the upcoming shows.

 

[robbrecon72]

no problem i actually have the list of every show's results thus far if anyone wants to see them. it takes time to do this so i work at it a little bit at a time, but like i said i can post them if you guys want them.

 

[robbrecon72]

ok here we go. here is the break down of the north american leg sales so far which is updated as of today 4/1/2011. singles means you can only purchase 1 seat at a time so these sections are virtually sold out. multiples means you can purchase 8 or more tickets in a row unless there is a "x3" or whatever next to it which means that's how many you can purchase in a row for that section so that section is close to selling out. it's probably highlighted in red anyway. once a section hits "singles" or "sold out" i never check that section again because it's a waist of my time. if they add additional seats to those sections then oh well. the difference would be insignificant anyway..lol once a section hits "singles" i do not check on it anymore because it's so close to selling out it doesnt matter. again..a waist of my time to double check them..lol all the shows are here.

Salt Lake City has 8,728 seat tickets left and 93 GA tickets left.



May 11 Mexico City Azteca Stadium
$462 Red Zone sold out
$248 Esp bajo multiples
$195 Esp bajo cabecera multiples
$195 Platea baja multiples
$133 Platea alta norte sold out
$133 Platea plus sold out
$133 Pref plus sold out
$124 Pref gral norte sold out
$81 Cancha (field) sold out
$71 Platea alta sur sold out
$71 Pref gral sur sold out
$33 General multiples

May 14 Mexico City Azteca Stadium
$462 Red Zone sold out
$248 Esp bajo sold out
$195 Esp bajo cabecera sold out
$195 Platea baja sold out
$133 Platea alta norte sold out
$133 Platea plus sold out
$133 Pref plus sold out
$124 Pref gral norte sold out
$81 Cancha (field) sold out
$71 Platea alta sur sold out
$71 Pref gral sur sold out
$33 General sold out

May 15 Mexico City Azteca Stadium
$462 Red Zone sold out
$248 Esp bajo sold out
$195 Esp bajo cabecera sold out
$195 Platea baja sold out
$133 Platea alta norte sold out
$133 Platea plus sold out
$133 Pref plus sold out
$124 Pref gral norte sold out
$81 Cancha (field) sold out
$71 Platea alta sur sold out
$71 Pref gral sur sold out
$33 General sold out

May 21 Denver INVESCO Field
$253 club level singles
$253 level 100 singles
$98 club level singles
$98 level 100 singles
$98 level 500 multiples
$98 N Res. 300 multiples
$58 club level multiples x3
$58 GA sold out
$58 level 100 multiples
$58 level 200 multiples
$58 level 500 multiples
$33 level 100 sold out
$33 level 200 sold out
$33 level 500 singles

May 29 Winnipeg Canad Inns Stadium
$252 east side singles
$252 west side singles
$99 east side lower singles
$99 east side upper singles
$99 west side lower singles
$99 west side upper singles
$59 GA Red Zone sold out
$59 GA Floor multiples
$59 north end zone multiples
$45 east side upper sold out
$45 north end zone sold out
$45 south end stands singles
$45 west side upper sold out

June 1 Edmonton Commonwealth Stadium
$250 lower deck singles
$95 lower deck multiples
$95 upper deck multiples
$55 GA sold out
$55 lower decksingles
$55 upper decksingles
$30 lower decksingles
$30 upper deck singles

June 4 Seattle Qwest Field
$253.5 level 1 singles
$253.5 level 2 singles
$98.5 level 1singles
$98.5 level 2 singles
$98.5 level 3 multiples
$58.5 GA sold out
$58.5 level 1 singles
$58.5 level 2 singles
$58.5 level 3singles
$33.5 level 1 singles
$33.5 level 2 singles
$33.5 level 3 singles

June 7 Oakland Alameda County Coliseum
$250 first deck singles
$250 second deck multiples x6
$95 first deck singles
$95 second deck singles
$95 third deck singles
$55 GA sold out
$55 second deck singles
$30 first deck singles
$30 second deck sold out
$30 third deck multiples

Jun 17 Anaheim Angel Stadium
$250 lower level 101 multiples
$250 lower level 114singles
$250 lower level 201 multiples x6
$250 middle level 301 multiples x6
$95 lower level 101 sold out
$95 lower level 114 sold out
$95 lower level 201 singles
$95 middle level 301 sold out
$95 top level 401 multiples x3
$95 top level 501 multiples
$55 GA sold out
$55 lower level 201 sold out
$55 middle level 301 sold out
$55 outfield 236 singles
$55 top level 401 singles
$55 top level 501 singles
$30 lower level 114 sold out
$30 outfield 257 singles
$30 outfield 236 singles
$30 top level 501 singles

Jun 18 Anaheim Angel Stadium
$250 lower level 101 multiples
$250 lower level 114 singles
$250 lower level 201 singles
$250 middle level 301 multiples x2
$95 lower level 101 singles
$95 lower level 114 sold out
$95 lower level 201 singles
$95 middle level 301 singles
$95 top level 401 multiples x5
$95 top level 501 multiples
$55 GA sold out
$55 lower level 201 sold out
$55 middle level 301 sold out
$55 outfield 236 sold out
$55 top level 401 sold out
$55 top level 501 singles
$30 lower level 114 sold out
$30 outfield 257 sold out
$30 outfield 236 singles
$30 top level 501 singles

June 22 Baltimore M&T Bank Stadium
$250 club level side singles
$250 lower level side singles
$95 club level end singles
$95 club level side singles
$95 lower level end singles
$95 lower level side singles
$95 upper level side singles
$55 GA sold out
$55 GA red zone sold out
$55 end zone notch singles
$55 lower level end multiples
$55 lower level side singles
$55 upper level end singles
$55 upper level side singles
$30 end zone notch sold out
$30 lower level end singles
$30 lower level side sold out
$30 upper level end singles
$30 upper level side singles

June 26 East Lansing Spartan Stadium
$250 lower bowl multiples
$95 lower bowl multiples
$55 lower bowl sold out
$55 GA sold out
$55 upper deck multiples
$30 lower bowl multiples
$30 upper deck sold out

June 29 Miami Sun Life Stadium
$250 lower level singles
$95 club level singles
$95 lower level singles
$95 upper level multiples
$55 club level singles
$55 GA sold out
$55 upper level multiples
$30 club level sold out
$30 lower level sold out
$30 upper level singles

July 2 Nashville Vanderbilt Stadium
$250 p. seating in stands singles
$95 p. seating in stands singles
$55 GA field sold out
$55 p. seating in stands sold out
$55 GA red zone sold out
$30 p. seating in stands sold out

July 5 Chicago Soldier Field
$250 level 100 singles
$250 level 200 multiples
$250 level 300 multiples
$95 level 100 singles
$95 level 200 multiples
$95 level 300 multiples x7
$95 level 400 multiples
$55 GA sold out
$55 level 300 multiples
$55 level 400 multiples
$30 level 100 sold out
$30 level 200 sold out
$30 level 300 singles
$30 level 400 singles

July 8 Montreal Hippodrome
$250 stands A multiples
$95 stands B sold out
$55 GA multiples
$55 stands D sold out
$30 stands C sold out

July 9 Montreal Hippodrome
$250 stands A multiples
$95 stands B singles
$55 GA multiples
$55 stands D sold out
$30 stands C singles

July 11 Toronto Rogers Centre
$252 level 100 singles
$252 level 200 multiples
$97 level 100 singles
$97 level 200 singles
$97 level 500 singles
$57 GA sold out
$32 level 100 sold out
$32 level 200 sold out
$32 level 500 singles

July 14 Philadelphia Lincoln Financial Field
$250 club level singles
$250 lower level singles
$95 club level singles
$95 lower level singles
$95 upper level multiples
$55 club level singles
$55 GA sold out
$55 upper level multiples
$30 lower level sold out
$30 upper level sold out

July 17 St. Louis Busch Stadium
$250 price level 1 singles
$95 price level 2 singles
$55 price level 3 singles
$30 price level 4 singles

July 20 East Rutherford New Meadowlands Stadium
$250 concourse 1 singles
$250 concourse 2singles
$95 concourse 1 singles
$95 concourse 2 singles
$95 concourse 3 multiples
$55 GA sold out
$55 concourse 3 singles
$30 concourse 1 sold out
$30 concourse 2 sold out
$30 concourse 3 singles

July 23 Minneapolis TCF Bank Stadium
$250 sides of stadium singles
$95 corners of stadium singles
$95 ends of stadium singles
$95 sides of stadium singles
$55 GA sold out
$55 corners of stadium singles
$55 ends of stadium singles
$55 sides of stadium singles
$30 corners of stadium singles
$30 ends of stadium singles
$30 sides of stadium sold out

July 26 Pittsburgh Heinz Stadium
$250 level 1 east side singles
$250 level 1 west side singles
$250 level 2 east side singles
$250 level 2 west side singles
$95 level 1 east side sold out
$95 level 1 north end singles
$95 level 1 west side singles
$95 level 2 east side singles
$95 level 2 north end multiples
$95 level 2 west side singles
$95 level 5 east side multiples
$95 level 5 north end sold out
$95 level 5 west side multiples
$55 GA sold out
$55 GA-Red Zone sold out
$55 level 1 east side sold out
$55 level 1 north end sold out
$55 level 1 west side singles
$55 level 2 east side singles
$55 level 2 north end sold out
$55 level 2 west side singles
$55 level 5 east side multiples
$55 level 5 north end multiples
$55 level 5 west side multiples
$30 level 1 east side sold out
$30 level 1 north end sold out
$30 level 1 west side sold out
$30 level 5 east side singles
$30 level 5 north end singles
$30 level 5 west side singles

July 30 Moncton NB Magnetic Hill
$275 Red Zone sold out
$199.5 Grandstand 1 singles
$199.5 Grandstand 2 singles
$199.5 Grandstand 3 multiples
$199.5 Grandstand 4 multiples
$99.5 Grandstand 3 sold out
$99.5 Grandstand 4 sold out
$65 GA multiples
$29.5 Grandstand 5 singles


Singles-122
sold out-103
multiples-57

Overall Sales are really good so far in my opinion. Salt Lake City, Chicago, Denver, and East Lansing look like they are behind the others a little.

oh just a note: 4 months ago there were over 90 multiples so sales have been really consistent.

 

[CosmoKramer]

no problem i actually have the list of every show's results thus far if anyone wants to see them. it takes time to do this so i work at it a little bit at a time, but like i said i can post them if you guys want them.

Thank you for taking the time to post these! They are very informative.

 

[Moggio]

The Burden of proof is on those that present a number as factual yet provide no source backing it up. There is NO source in the fan link for the number.

I've already presented compelling evidence. You, on the other hand, CANNOT PROVE they're wrong.

I don't have to because I'm not claiming the number is a fact, YOU ARE! If you want to claim something is a FACT, then YOU have to prove it.

YES, YOU DO. You're the one questioning the accuracy of it.

I did not admit, I estimated tour attendence myself to be about 5.8 million, but 600,000 of that is thanks to Metallica, so for GNR were talking 5.2 million. I never said that was not a large number or not one of the highest attended tours of all time.

Huh?! LOL! You've just contradicted AGAIN.

Wow, from the guy that predicted U2 attendance would be the following in these markets on 360

Dallas - 28,000

Raleigh - 31,000

Charlotesville - 31,000

Houston - 31,000

Norman - 31,000

As a matter of fact, there will not be a single date on this entire tour that will be as low as ANY of these MOGGIO predictions.

You're conveniently IGNORING that I was only $6 million off regarding what U2 drew on my 1st North American leg 360 tour prediction OVERALL...WHICH IS WHAT COUNTS. Why are you doing that? LOL!

There is no "without the help" in the post. You made of list of markets that U2 would not have a hope in hell of a filling a stadium in, and Tennessee was in the list.

Based on what you stated in the post, your assessment about U2 and Tennessee was wrong.

What?! That's NOT true. More BS from you...BIG SURPRISE. I said "WITHOUT THE HELP OF...".

 

[Moggio]

Well, the Stones did take a dip in attendance and gross for their 40th anniversery tour.

Their gross wasn't as high compared to the Bridges To Babylon / No Security tour because the Licks tour played LESS SHOWS. YOU KNOW THAT.

Again, the Stones best shot of beating U2 360, at least in gross, is by announcing it as the last tour.

Do you really think the Stones could outgross U2 with an exclusive 360 tour of 110 stadium dates. No playing arena's, or theaters, JUST STADIUMS.

I mean, their average attendance on the 147 A Bigger Bang Tour was only 32,000. Excluding the arena's and theaters, their stadium average was only a little over 40,000. At an average price of $119 dollars, they would need to get at least 56,000 people per stadium show with 110 dates just to tie U2. They couldn't do that on A Bigger Bang though. They were well below that failing to sellout most stadium shows in a 270 configeration.

ONCE AGAIN, Earth to Maoil: The Rolling Stones have consistently outgrossed U2 with EVERY single tour they've performed since U2 started touring. And that's not going to all of a sudden stop now, especially since their 50th Anniversary tour will apparently be happening relatively soon...

Ok, tell us what markets U2 would not be able to fill an arena in this fall?

Tell us what markets U2 would not be able to fill a theater in this fall?

Wtf are you on about now?!

Maybe not fair for U2, but its more than fair for Madonna. Madonna gets to count ALL OF HER SHOWS, 248 of them over the past ten years.
U2 on the other only get to count ONE tour restricted to the playing of stadiums. Thats it.

When she tours or how often she tours is irrelevant in this comparison. She gets to count every freaken show from the entire decade.

The only other thing I could do to make it even more fair would be to count all her shows of her entire 30 year career. But U2's last two tours combined, 360 and Vertigo would defeat that, both in gross and attendance.

How can you be the top draw in the world, when your entire tour career gross and attendance combined CAN'T beat another artist's two most recent tours?

Just wanted to point a few things out for you.

Madonna has done four tours since 2000

Drowned World Tour - 2001

3 year gap

Re-invention World Tour - 2004

2 year gap

Confessions Tour - 2006

2 year gap

Sticky & Sweet Tour - 2008-2009

Something else you don't seem to under stand is that Madonna usually skips markets each tour so the GAP is more than just the two or three years for each tour, but actually FOUR or FIVE years for MOST MARKETS.

The following markets, are the only markets that Madonna has played on each of these tours:

IN EUROPE
London
Paris

IN NORTH AMERICA
Philadelphia
New York City
Boston
Miami
Chicago
Las Vegas
Oakland
Los Angeles


Thats just ten markets being hit EACH TOUR. Every other market played over the past decade has experienced a considerably longer gap in being played.

She has only played stadiums in 4 of these markets on the past four tours! She has NEVER played a stadium one tour and then played it again on the next tour in ANY of the above TEN markets. In fact, in her ENTIRE career, she has only done that in LONDON back in the late 80s and early 90s.

What you don't obviously understand is that those ELEVEN markets (you're forgetting The Netherlands) are HUGE for ANY MAJOR artist. And hence, if U2 started touring ALMOST EVERY OTHER YEAR like Madonna now does, there is NO way in hell that they would sustain and/or increase their ticket sales gross levels in the markets that they'd play that often. AND YOU KNOW IT. There is PLENTY of demand for Madonna in other markets, SINCE SHE USUALLY ONLY PLAYS 40-60 SHOWS PER YEAR AND/OR TOUR.

 

[Moggio]

LOL!!!! Writes the guy who originally predicted U2 would gross $475 million on their current tour. Then as you saw real numbers come in you kept upping your prediction...LOL

I only changed my prediction once the actual 360 tour schedule was released, since it included STRATEGIC SCHEDULING (which is the FIRST time in music history a major tour has been scheduled this way). AND AGAIN, based on 90-100 shows, the $475 million figure is basically what it would've been, WITHOUT STRATEGIC SCHEDULING. How many times do I have to go over this? Maoil even agrees with that. Are you REALLY this thick?

You predict that U2 couldn't fill a stadium in Tennesse and the when they do you write they will ONLY gross 4.5-5 million, wait, I thought they couldn't fill stadium?????? Then Maoi calls you out and you LIE about what you originally wrote.

There's no lie. Maoil is the one lying, as usual. I never said in ANY post on ANY message board what Maoil's claiming I said. He loves to quote OUT OF CONTEXT. You should know that by now.

Now I have never claimed to be a pro when it comes to predicting tour grosses but Moggio claims this over and over.

Take your pick of embarrassing predictions: 30,000 fans per night, PopMart like attendance or 3.6 million per night gross.

What you're quoting is a particular North American leg prediction based on 42 shows on the SAME leg, WITHOUT STRATEGIC SCHEDULING and has little to do with an overall tour gross prediction. And not to mention that post I made was LONG BEFORE the 360 tour schedule was even released, which included STRATEGIC SCHEDULING.

Now let's wait for the strategic scheduling excuse followed by the openers excuse. So musicians have been touring since the mid 1900's but the industry suddenly figured out how to nearly double an artists gross potential in 2009 and the only shared it with U2!

Maoil even agrees with me regarding strategic scheduling and utilizing ARENA openers to help boost ticket sales. So, what does THAT tell you? And, the 360 tour's ticket sales gross hasn't doubled because of the above factors. However, it's certainly increased it though.

Also, other artists have started utilizing strategic scheduling already. Prince's current Welcome 2 America tour, is the most notable. And Rush have been scheduling many of their current Time Machine tour shows this way...but mainly because this will be the first time since the early '90s that they will have hit the road three years in a row (2010, 2011 & upcoming Clockwork Angels tour in 2012).

Youseem to know a lot about the industry but when it comes to U2 you don't know your a** from your elbow. Keep making excuses because I'm entertained how they always change when you are proven wrong over and over again.

I've been proven wrong over and over again? Either you don't have a CLUE or you're denying the facts. Which is it?

 

[CosmoKramer]

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There's no lie. Maoil is the one lying, as usual. I never said in ANY post on ANY message board what Maoil's claiming I said. He loves to quote OUT OF CONTEXT. You should know that by now.

I've been proven wrong over and over again? Either you don't have a CLUE or you're denying the facts. Which is it?

Maoil is claiming that you wrote that U2 couldnt sell out a stadium in Tennesse on the 360 tour but per your above statement, you never wrote that on any message board..........UKMIX - Forums - Chart Analysis - Rolling Stones top U2 - top grossing tour (page 13)

Scroll down almost half way and you wrote, referring to the state of Tennesse (among other areas including Pittsburgh & Missouri)

"These are all markets where U2 wouldn't have a hope in hell filling stadiums at the prices they're charging. And that's why they're skipping them on the 360 tour. In fact, they probably won't return to them for several years and/or might not ever return to them again (though, for example, if they were to skip Michigan on their next tour, they could fill a stadium nearby in Ohio, etc.)."

LIAR!
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[Moggio]

Maoil is claiming that you wrote that U2 couldnt sell out a stadium in Tennesse on the 360 tour but per your above statement, you never wrote that on any message board..........UKMIX - Forums - Chart Analysis - Rolling Stones top U2 - top grossing tour (page 13)

Scroll down almost half way and you wrote, referring to the state of Tennesse (among other areas including Pittsburgh & Missouri)

"These are all markets where U2 wouldn't have a hope in hell filling stadiums at the prices they're charging. And that's why they're skipping them on the 360 tour. In fact, they probably won't return to them for several years and/or might not ever return to them again (though, for example, if they were to skip Michigan on their next tour, they could fill a stadium nearby in Ohio, etc.)."

LIAR!

You seem to have reading issues. What does this say?:

"...(though, for example, if they were to skip Michigan on their next tour, they could fill a stadium nearby in Ohio, etc.)..."

If you knew how to read properly, you'd know that would apply to other skipped markets/regions...hence the "etc."

Oh, and where's your rebuttal for my other previous posts?

Keep tryin', smartass!

 

[CosmoKramer]

You seem to have reading issues. What does this say?:

"...(though, for example, if they were to skip Michigan on their next tour, they could fill a stadium nearby in Ohio, etc.)..."

If you knew how to read properly, you'd know that would apply to other skipped markets/regions...hence the "etc."

I feel sorry for you because now you don't understand your own quote

When you wrote that U2 couldnt fill those various markets you were CLEARLY talking about the CURRENT tour. When you mentioned Michigan, you were talking about their NEXT tour

Come on man, it's not like you made this statement 2 years ago, you made it last fall. I mean you wrote "These are all markets where U2 wouldn't have a hope in hell filling stadiums at the prices they're charging. And that's why they're skipping them on the 360 tour." I didnt see anything in there reading " the only way" when referring to the 360 tour. You were without a doubt referring to their NEXT tour when talking about Michigan/Ohio!

Now you're lying about your lies!!!!!

As far as a rebuttal on your other statements, I have already shown that you are a liar and that you continue to change your stories. I mean youre lying about your own quote that I just posted!!!!

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

What you don't obviously understand is that those ELEVEN markets (you're forgetting The Netherlands) are HUGE for ANY MAJOR artist. And hence, if U2 started touring ALMOST EVERY OTHER YEAR like Madonna now does, there is NO way in hell that they would sustain and/or increase their ticket sales gross levels in the markets that they'd play that often. AND YOU KNOW IT. There is PLENTY of demand for Madonna in other markets, SINCE SHE USUALLY ONLY PLAYS 40-60 SHOWS PER YEAR AND/OR TOUR.

The Netherlands was not played by Madonna on her Drowned World Tour! There are only 10 markets, that Madonna played on all four tours from 2001 to 2009.

Here are the European tour dates for the Drowned World Tour:

June 9, 2001 Barcelona Spain Palau Sant Jordi
June 10, 2001
June 13, 2001 Milan Italy Fila Forum
June 14, 2001
June 15, 2001
June 19, 2001 Berlin Germany Max-Schmeling-Halle
June 20, 2001
June 22, 2001
June 23, 2001
June 26, 2001 Paris France Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy
June 27, 2001
June 29, 2001
June 30, 2001
July 4, 2001 London United Kingdom Earls Court Exhibition Centre
July 6, 2001
July 7, 2001
July 9, 2001
July 10, 2001
July 12, 2001

No Netherlands at all.

Playing the 10 major markets that she does each tour is called playing it safe. Those are markets that can be counted on, especially when there will be an influx of fans from all the markets she skips or never plays.

But NONE of that really matters because we are comparing all four tours to JUST ONE U2 tour. Just comparing two tours to one, would typically be overkill, but FOUR to ONE! LOL The only way you could stack the odds in Madonna's favor more, would be to compare her ENTIRE touring career to the 360 tour.

The fact is, even if you took Madonna's ENTIRE 30 year gross on the road, it would not be much more than the 360 tour, and would lose out to the Vertigo Tour and 360 tour combined. If she tried to do what U2 do, and play a 360 tour of 110 dates in Stadiums she would get CREAMED by U2.

Remember, when you skip so many markets and only regularly play just 10 markets each tour, it boost the number of people from markets not play flooding into those ten markets to see Madonna.

Its ok to admit you were wrong about Madonna in this respect. Your on much more solid ground with your arguments about the Stones.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

You seem to have reading issues. What does this say?:

"...(though, for example, if they were to skip Michigan on their next tour, they could fill a stadium nearby in Ohio, etc.)..."

If you knew how to read properly, you'd know that would apply to other skipped markets/regions...hence the "etc."

Oh, and where's your rebuttal for my other previous posts?

Keep tryin', smartass!

MOGGIO

You stated the following:

Btw, there are PLENTY of markets where U2 will not be performing on the 360 tour. And if you need me to go over them with you, let me know

THEN wbarenno wrote:

What major markets would they be then Moggio??

MOGGIO writes:

Well, for starters, in North America:

~ Oregon
~ New Mexico
~ Louisiana
~ Alabama
~ South Carolina
~ Missouri
~ Kansas
~ Nebraska
~ Iowa
~ Wisconsin
~ Indiana
~ Ohio
~ Western Pennsylvania
~ Upstate New York
~ Kentucky
~ Tennessee
~ Manitoba

These are all markets where U2 wouldn't have a hope in hell filling stadiums at the prices they're charging. And that's why they're skipping them on the 360 tour. In fact, they probably won't return to them for several years and/or might not ever return to them again (though, for example, if they were to skip Michigan on their NEXT tour, they could fill a stadium nearby in Ohio, etc.).

Notice the word NEXT refers to a tour AFTER 360 and not the 360 tour. Understand?

You were FLAT OUT WRONG in your list when it came to Tennessee, Western Pennsylvania, and Manitoba! Just two months after you claimed U2 were not playing stadium shows in these area's BECAUSE they "Could not", U2 added three stadium shows on your list of NO GO AREA'S FOR U2 360!

You already KNEW U2 were not playing certain areas, but despite that said Tennessee, Western Pennsylvania, and Manitoba were NO GO areas for U2 360. Whether U2 plays Michigan or Ohio on the NEXT tour after 360 is irrelevant.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Wtf are you on about now?!



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I said because U2 had restricted themselves only to large 360 shows in Stadiums, that there was still demand left for shows in much smaller arena's and theaters.

You then said:

HARDLY!

Then I simply asked, if U2 were to add a fall 2011 leg of arena's and theaters

What Arena's would U2 NOT be able to fill in fall 2011?

What theaters would U2 NOT be able to fill in fall 2011?

Its your claim that after July 30, 2011 show, that there would not be demand to see U2 in much smaller arena's. So I'm asking you to tell us which arena's U2 would not be able to play in fall 2011 if they decided to do add an arena leg to the tour. Understand?