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MadForIt 08-17-2010 04:39 PM

Why is the World Allowing Pakistan to Drown?
 
Is it because they are Asian?
Is it because they are Muslim?

This is the West's chance to win some of the bad guys over. If you abandon them now, in 10 years time they will be all Taliabanised.

Why havent the stars come out and said they'll do a concert or write a song for charity?

Where is Bono?
This is usually his moment to shine

Pearl 08-17-2010 05:03 PM

I read somewhere that Angelina Jolie is doing something for Pakistan, but that's about it. :shrug:

financeguy 08-17-2010 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MadForIt (Post 6894854)
Is it because they are Asian?
Is it because they are Muslim?

This is the West's chance to win some of the bad guys over. If you abandon them now, in 10 years time they will be all Taliabanised.

Why havent the stars come out and said they'll do a concert or write a song for charity?

Where is Bono?
This is usually his moment to shine

Maybe it is partially that but I also think that it is a case of 'disaster overload'.

melon 08-17-2010 08:38 PM

This article covers the same question you're asking here.

Money for aid trickling in for flood-ravaged Pakistan - CNN.com

Quote:

The money poured in for survivors of Haiti's quake, but the funds are only slowly trickling in for people left homeless or ill in the wake of widespread flooding in the South Asian nation.

Is it because the earthquake was such a sudden shock, destroying huge chunks of cities and villages within a matter of 35 horrifying seconds while Pakistan's floods evolved over three weeks?

That's part of the reason, said Alex Wynter of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

"Floods are always more difficult to raise money for than dramatic seismic events that happen suddenly, because the scale of it only creeps up on people," Wynter said. "However, this is a totally exceptional flood. I have seen quite a number of floods in my time, but never anything remotely approaching this scale."

Much also depends on media coverage and the images that permeate television and computer screens. In Haiti, pictures of the collapsed presidential palace and vast tent cities tugged at hearts.

"It's very hard to compare disasters," said Nicholas Reader, spokesman for the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA). "Haiti was instant, extremely visual. There was an outpouring of sympathy. Pakistan has been a slowly evolving disaster."
I'd also say you're dealing with the fact that the West is now broke. The Middle East and China may have to start chipping in to global relief funds. Of course, they likely won't in any meaningful capacity.

corianderstem 08-17-2010 08:43 PM

I wonder also how many people saw the recent reports of how awful things are in Haiti, and how little of the money seems to have gotten to the victims at this point, that some people just throw up their hands and say "Why bother?"

Which is sad, but I can understand frustration in giving money only to see it sit and gather dust.

financeguy 08-17-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by melon (Post 6895090)
This article covers the same question you're asking here.

Money for aid trickling in for flood-ravaged Pakistan - CNN.com

I'd also say you're dealing with the fact that the West is now broke. The Middle East and China may have to start chipping in to global relief funds. Of course, they likely won't in any meaningful capacity.

Agree completely. I don't like saying it but I'd like someone to explain how it doesn't end in a war.

We were warned repeatedly about the bubbles building up, but we didn't listen.

In the US; Peter Thiel, in the UK; Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, in Ireland; David McWilliams. When they issued their warnings, they were derided as doom-mongers and negative nay-sayers. Now, they are still denounced, for the cardinal crime of expressing an unpopular truth.

Currently, says my fave guru, AEP, we're in 1932:

With the US trapped in depression, this really is starting to feel like 1932 - Telegraph

financeguy 08-17-2010 08:57 PM

BTW, I recogise that the travails of the busted economy in the US and Europe is nothing compared to the mass tragedy in Pakistan, I am just making the point that folks aren't helping out largely because there is probably nothing left in the kitty.

melon 08-17-2010 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by financeguy (Post 6895097)

Don't know if it's comparable to 1932, per se, but it's certainly the starting to look like a redux of the Japanese "Lost Decade." It's quite interesting how many parallels one can draw between 1990s Japan and the present-day West.

MadForIt 08-18-2010 05:30 PM

I find it shocking that India (so called new superpower) has only chipped in with $6 million of aid.

I know they dont get on with their neighbours, but this could have been a starting point. Maybe send a few helicopters and a load of food.

Iran have sent loads and they are hardly Saudi Arabia

kramwest1 08-19-2010 07:28 AM

I know there is a U.S. Navy ship on station running helicopters out to drop food and water.

I think as far as physical help goes, floods are incredibly difficult because there are few good safe havens and the road infrastructure gets f-ed up.

What is the current death toll? BTW

I sent money to UNICEF back in 2005 with their horrific earthquake. I haven't done anything yet this time, but it is still unfolding, too.

Galeongirl 08-19-2010 07:57 AM

The fact that disturbs me the most is that the west ALWAYS helps when big disaster happens. No matter where in the world, people will donate and send help.
Now there's a disaster in the middle east, where are those super rich oil countries? Why aren't they helping their arabic brothers? Why does the west have to come in when there's more than enough money in those countries to help? :huh:

coolian2 08-19-2010 08:00 AM

pakistan is in asia?

kramwest1 08-19-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Galeongirl (Post 6897275)
The fact that disturbs me the most is that the west ALWAYS helps when big disaster happens. No matter where in the world, people will donate and send help.
Now there's a disaster in the middle east, where are those super rich oil countries? Why aren't they helping their arabic brothers? Why does the west have to come in when there's more than enough money in those countries to help? :huh:

^Fair question.


Pakistan could trade the U.S. their nukes for our food.
That'd be a good deal for both of us.


Also, regarding the earlier question...the U.S. has been dropping food and aid into Afghanistan for 3 decades and that hasn't stopped the hate. :shrug:
I guess it takes more than aid. Diplomacy and understanding maybe?

melon 08-19-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kramwest1 (Post 6897283)
Pakistan could trade the U.S. their nukes for our food.
That'd be a good deal for both of us.

Would never happen. It's their bargaining chip with India.

The desire for nukes is generally about regional, rather than international power broking. Iran would probably like to be the regional power in the Middle East, for instance, now that Iraq is weakened.

kramwest1 08-19-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by melon (Post 6897360)
Would never happen. It's their bargaining chip with India.

The desire for nukes is generally about regional, rather than international power broking. Iran would probably like to be the regional power in the Middle East, for instance, now that Iraq is weakened.

Yeah, I know.

(I'll :wink: next time)


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