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~BrightestStar~ 11-05-2008 12:49 AM

2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread 13: Victory Lap
Can I get a HELL YEAH?!


Please continue posting your sentimental and drunken celebratory moments here.

Or, you know, discuss shit like intellectuals.

Maybe a lil of both.

Tiger Edge 11-05-2008 12:53 AM

I think this is one of the best articles I've ever read about the election and I'm happy to post it tonight. I read it on Sunday and thought it was so fitting.


Unity, hope must conquer division, hate

The killers would have worn top hats. Having already murdered 102 African Americans, 14 by beheading, they would have driven at top speed toward Barack Obama, leaning from the windows of their vehicle, dressed in top hats and white tuxedoes, firing guns.

That was the plan, according to law enforcement officials who disrupted it a few days ago. Now the alleged conspirators -- white supremacists Paul Schlesselman, 18, and Daniel Cowart, 20 -- are in federal custody, an appropriately bizarre coda for the presidential campaign of 2008.

I mean, it's fitting, isn't it, that the campaign end with yet another appeal to fear, yet another portrayal of the Illinois senator as Not One of Us? It makes sense, after two years of viral e-mails, blog postings, talk radio rants and Fox News reports depicting Obama as a Communist socialist radical Christian secret Muslim black militant-marrying atheist-raised terrorist fist-bumping America-hating Manchurian candidate trained to subvert the United States from within.

Well, if that's what some folks think he is, let me tell you what I hope he is.

I will preface with a line from Gil Scott-Heron. The singer and poet used to say that people often asked him what he thought of the 1960s. His reply: I personally think the '60s are over.

Me, I'm not so sure. Indeed, when I consider the four presidential campaigns preceeding this one, it's hard not to regard them as an extended debate over that era. Those campaigns, after all, turned largely on questions of drug use, feminism, Vietnam, draft dodging, anti-war protests and other issues Richard Nixon or Hubert Humphrey would have found instantly recognizable.

I'm reminded how a young man told me a few years ago that he loathed Bill Clinton because the former president was -- and I quote -- ''a hippie.'' I was floored. Love Clinton or loathe him, that is, putting it mildly, an unlikely description of a man who spent the hippie era as a Rhodes Scholar and Yale University student of law.

But it makes sense if you buy the premise that we have been re-litigating the '60s here, seeking a balance of values between the freedom some of us won and the ''good old days'' others of us lost, between the whispered promise of change and the shouted, strident threat.

Indeed, if you buy the premise, then John McCain's recent attempts to conflate Obama with William Ayers are hardly surprising.

Whatever you think of the '60s, though, one thing is undeniable: They tore us apart, ripped American society to pieces and threw those pieces in the air so they rained down like confetti, falling into new configurations, nothing where it used to be. It was an angry time, those who found stability -- identity -- in the old configurations fighting those intoxicated by the possibilities of the new.

Which is why some regarded the presidential candidacy of Robert F. Kennedy with such ineffable hope. His was a promise to reconcile the shredded pieces, to make them -- make us -- whole again. Then he walked through that hotel kitchen, and we lost everything that might have been.

Forty years later, we are still angry, still sifting through confetti pieces, trying to find a way to make them whole. And here comes Barack Obama wanting to be president.

He has an economic plan, sure. He has a healthcare plan, yes. He has a promise to end the war in Iraq, fine.

Those are important matters, certainly. But when I look at this guy and reflect on the hate I see in my country, the lack of purpose I see in my country, the division and fear I see in my country, those concerns feel distinctly secondary.

You know what I hope Barack Obama is? I hope he is reconciliation -- the end of the 1960s at long last. And the beginning of something new.


Lila64 11-05-2008 12:54 AM


Popmartijn 11-05-2008 12:55 AM

This is great news to wake up with. :happy:

Congrats to the U.S.A. for electing their first-ever black president (and the best of two candidates IMHO). :applaud:

U2democrat 11-05-2008 12:56 AM


I keep expecting to see the credits roll on the TV...this is a movie...it's not real...but it IS real...:faint:

~BrightestStar~ 11-05-2008 12:57 AM

Lila, I :love: you.


A friend of mine said it was like watching the end of a Disney movie.

Vincent Vega 11-05-2008 01:00 AM

The speech is on CNN again.

U2democrat 11-05-2008 01:02 AM

I'm watching Brian williams. also a little :drunk: after a celebration drink.

I will remember this the rest of my life. wel asll will.

bad typing sorry

VintagePunk 11-05-2008 01:06 AM


Originally Posted by U2democrat (Post 5590072)

I keep expecting to see the credits roll on the TV...this is a movie...it's not real...but it IS real...:faint:

Hey! Happy birthday! What a gift, huh? :)

U2democrat 11-05-2008 01:08 AM

best bday present ever :D

Lila64 11-05-2008 01:10 AM


U2democrat 11-05-2008 01:14 AM

I knew it was going to be good when I was at a local polling place when it closed and they counted the vote, in a high white and military precinct Obama won by 70 votes.

VintagePunk 11-05-2008 01:22 AM

They're playing City of Blinding Lights behind a montage of clips from the primaries and election on CNN!

INDY500 11-05-2008 01:26 AM

Congratulations Obama supporters. He wasn't my guy but it's nice to see enthusiasm and idealism back in American politics.

That the mainstream press shared your enthusiasm probably isn't a good thing but what are you gonna do? :D

All Americans can be proud tonight.

Zoots 11-05-2008 01:27 AM

My birthday is this monday. This is indeed a fantastic gift!

Just watched Obama's speech for the first time. That was one of the greatest speeches I have ever heard in my lifetime.

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