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theedgeu2 07-27-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Burlington77 (Post 7302958)
OK now for an even dumber (is that a word..?) ques:

Do colors of guitars have any specific meaning?

For example, I have seen The Edge play an electric sunburst Fender but also seen him play a black and white Fender.

Color doesn't really have any specific meaning. Some finishes can be less common than others and so forth but they don't always have a real meaning. A specific model of a specific brand guitar can have many different finishes. But there can be a case when little details can make a difference. For instance Edge has two Fender Stratocasters with exactly the same finish and white pickguard. Also I think they both have a maple fretboard. But one is a 1976 and the other is a 1974. I hope I explained that well enough. :D

breathe 07-27-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Burlington77 (Post 7302958)
OK now for an even dumber (is that a word..?) ques:

Do colors of guitars have any specific meaning?

For example, I have seen The Edge play an electric sunburst Fender but also seen him play a black and white Fender.

The sunburst strat is used for "Sunday" And "Pride" Those songs are in a different tuning that is why edge uses it for those songs. Its a full step down.

breathe 07-27-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theedgeu2 (Post 7302945)
Breathe got most of it down. Edge owns more other hollow body guitars and semi-hollow. The Gretsch guitars are all full hollow I do believe and while they are big guitars they are not all that heavy. Then there is the Epiphone Casino, which Edge used for Breathe and was also used on All Because of You on the Vertigo tour, is a semi-hollow I do believe. There is a block of wood inside the guitar I think, therefor not making it a full hollow. Edge has two Gretsch Country Gentleman guitars with him this tour in the Walnut finish (looks kinda reddish). One is a 1964 and the other is a 1960 something. I can't remember the date of the other one. But Edge Orchestra will help us out there. Edge has been using Gretsch guitars for a while and the Gretsch Country Gent goes as far back as the PopMart tour I believe. Used on songs such as Please, Do You Feel Loved, Last Night On Earth, One, and Wake Up Dead Man. Used for Moment of Surrender for the 2009 shows of 360 was a Gretsch Stereo, correct me if I am wrong here, Country Club. It had a vintage sunburst type finish. Gretsch Black Falcon appeared for Magnificent and One Tree Hill on the current tour. It's been a more recently used guitar.

Here's some shots of Edge's guitars as mentioned above:

Epiphone Casino

http://edge-equipment.tripod.com/sit...10-08-05-1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nfwzKszAtJ...ndP6VxdAfl.jpg

Gretsch Country Gentleman

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a.../070809-43.jpg

http://www.u2-stage-and-studio.com/s...9404-size2.jpg

Gretsch Black Falcon

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a..._4187920_n.jpg

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a..._Schoo/114.jpg

Gretsch Stereo Country Club

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...lio20-09-1.jpg

Epiphone casino is a hallow body guitar not semi. I learned that from E_O :D

theedgeu2 07-27-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by breathe (Post 7303070)
Epiphone casino is a hallow body guitar not semi. I learned that from E_O :D

Ah I stand corrected. :D

Edge_Orchestra 07-28-2011 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by breathe (Post 7302895)
Thats A Gretsch hallow body guitar i believe that is the "Black Falcon" Edge has only used live on 360 his Country gent (Red one) And The black falcon,he also in 2009 on moment of surrender used a Gretsch,Now he uses a Strat. Hallow body guitars (Someone will correct me if i am wrong......E_O) :D Has a nice full sound vs a Les Paul. and the pick up's are different. But he really only uses a Gretsch on "Magnificent" Now he also used a Epiphone Casino for "Breathe" :wave:

Edge uses The Gretsch also on "City Of Blinding Lights" And "Zooropa"





The Black Falcon hasn't been used much. It's a 2009 model. The Black Falcon was used on "One Tree Hill" (Played only 4 times on the 360 tour) and he used it for "Magnificent" in Oakland. (1 time).

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a..._4187920_n.jpg

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/a..._Schoo/114.jpg


1963 Gretsch Country Gentleman was the primary guitar for "Magnificent". That was the primary for "City of Blinding Lights" during the 'Vertigo' tour.

http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a.../070809-43.jpg


360 tour, the 1968 Gretsch Country Gentleman has been the primary guitar for "City of Blinding Lights".

The 1962 Epiphone Casino was used for "Breathe" and for "No Line On The Horizon". As those tunes were dropped after the 2009 shows, it's not seen any stage time since Vancouver October 28th 2009.

This one:
http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/a...lio20-09-1.jpg

Is a 1959 Sunburst 6101 Country Club. Edge used it for "Moment of Surrender for the 2009 dates. By 2010 shows he'd gone to a 1970's era black and white Stratocaster.


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Originally Posted by Burlington77 (Post 7302958)
OK now for an even dumber (is that a word..?) ques:

Do colors of guitars have any specific meaning? For example, I have seen The Edge play an electric sunburst Fender but also seen him play a black and white Fender.


They may have went with the tobacco tuned to "D" as it would stand out instead of mixing up one of multiple black and white Strats. But it also may be that the tobacco Stratocasters tone suits "Sunday Bloody Sunday" and "Pride..." better. So I am not convinced that the color means a whole lot. He's partitial to black Stratocasters so he has a few. That might be as his main Stratocaster that was used in the 1980's was a black 1970's model.

The 1968 tobacco finish Stratocaster is used for "Pride..." and "Sunday Bloody Sunday" as both are tuned down to "D" this tour. (Not open D but a whole step down from standard tuning).


PS: Gretsch Country Gents to have a partial sound block (center block of wood). So in that, they are semi-hollow and not entirely hollow, like a Gibson 330TD (like Edge used for "One" on the Zoo tours and "Holy Joe" on the Pop Kmart Promo appearance) or the Casino (that Edge used for "All Because of You", "Breathe" and "No Line On The Horizon").

breathe 07-29-2011 02:20 AM

You can here Edge using the pedal in bad on zoo t.v
‪U2 - Bad - Live from Rotterdam‬‏ - YouTube

Edge_Orchestra 07-29-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by breathe (Post 7304813)
You can here Edge using the pedal in bad on zoo t.v
‪U2 - Bad - Live from Rotterdam‬‏ - YouTube



He also did it at the Stockholm show in 1922. Interesting that for a few weeks in the summer of 1992 he tried that, it was a nice experiment and then it fell by the wayside and he didn't do it afterward.

Burlington77 07-29-2011 04:10 PM

For a newbie guitar player that really only knows how to play Smoke on the Water and the Godfather theme, what is the easiest U2 song to learn to play?

Edge_Orchestra 07-29-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Burlington77 (Post 7305336)
For a newbie guitar player that really only knows how to play Smoke on the Water and the Godfather theme, what is the easiest U2 song to learn to play?


"Desire" is pretty easy. The Proverbial 3-chords and the Truth.

mirrorballman 08-14-2011 07:20 AM

Have the chance to pick up a WH-2 for around $200. Now I know it's nothing like the WH-1 (IVL chip isn't there anymore), but I've heard good enough reviews about it, especially in comparison to the most recent WH-4!

Anyone try both or maybe even all three (WH-1, 2 and 4) and can give me some feedback or if it's worth buying? Would be greatly appreciated.

I know Edge even tried some during the first popmart shows, but wasn't satisfied with the sound, so he changed back to the WH-1.

Edge_Orchestra 08-14-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mirrorballman (Post 7324254)
Have the chance to pick up a WH-2 for around $200. Now I know it's nothing like the WH-1 (IVL chip isn't there anymore), but I've heard good enough reviews about it, especially in comparison to the most recent WH-4!

Anyone try both or maybe even all three (WH-1, 2 and 4) and can give me some feedback or if it's worth buying? Would be greatly appreciated.

I know Edge even tried some during the first popmart shows, but wasn't satisfied with the sound, so he changed back to the WH-1.



I've heard some naysayers argue "No difference". Tom Morello (Rage Against The Machine, Audioslave) and The Edge have both said that there is a differnce in tone.

The difference being that the WH-1 has a 16-bit chip. The WH-4 has a 24-bit chip. 24 = cleaner, which isn't necessarily a good thing. Morello and Edge like the grit of the 16-bit WH-1 original.

I worked with a tribute for a while. The guitarist had a WH-4 (current reissue). His Whammy had calibration errors and we couldnt fix it. I loaned him my WH-1 for the next gig. He was quick to say HUGE difference in tone.

You can 'get by' with a WH-4 reissue. But I find that sometimes (most times) it's better to wait, save the money, and get the right tool and not merely one that is close or sort of close.

You and your bank account will have to make that choice for yourselves.

mirrorballman 08-14-2011 01:03 PM

Cheers, but what about the WH-2? That's what I'm actually looking at!

Edge_Orchestra 08-14-2011 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mirrorballman (Post 7324366)
Cheers, but what about the WH-2? That's what I'm actually looking at!



Per Dallas, Edge tried a WH-2 and didn't like it. WH-1 is king.


Seems that the WH-2 is dirtier than the WH-4. So if money is the issue... But the WH-1 still sounds best to me.

Digitech Whammy Pedal. Version Two And Four. - YouTube


WH-1 vs WH-4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs5QG_B78BI&feature=related

Some of the comments insist no diffience or marginal. But the WH-1 has a grittier tone and is a bit thicker. Far more musical and pleasing.

But let your ears be the judge.

Edge_Orchestra 08-14-2011 08:15 PM

Some of the comments insist no diffience or marginal. But the WH-1 has a grittier tone and is a bit thicker. Far more musical and pleasing.

But let your ears be the judge.

mirrorballman 08-15-2011 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Edge_Orchestra (Post 7324732)
Some of the comments insist no diffience or marginal. But the WH-1 has a grittier tone and is a bit thicker. Far more musical and pleasing.

But let your ears be the judge.

Absolutely agree that the WH-2 sounds a bit dirtier (not comparable to the WH-1 though), the comments I've read about WH-2 were all also in the direction that it's like the WH-1 but a) controlling it is a b*** because of the input level and b) it doesn't sustain as well as the WH-1 and starts to wobble, whereas the WH-1 smoothened it out.

Either way, I'll probably have a shot at it. WH-4 really sounds way too smooth and clean, but that's nothing new.



On a side note:
Seriously, WHO works at these places (eg Digitech, Korg). They're ANYTHING but actual business people because they'd notice the massive demand for reissues of things like the WH-1 or Korg SDD's. Mint WH-1's go for 1000 bucks nowadays on eBay and Korg SDD3000 aren't very far behind that. That's absolutely crazy.

mirrorballman 08-15-2011 02:57 AM

...oh, and a second amusing story: A guy I know (not very close) bought a NOS WH-1 in 2007 in some local shop for the laughable price of USD320!!! The thing was completely new and tight packaged. The owner told him someone ordered it back in the 90's but never picked it up, the thing's been dusting off in the corner for over 15 years.

Talk about luck. :shocked:

mirrorballman 08-26-2011 05:48 PM

Got the WH-II today, ridiculous fun. It does sound pretty dirty, but as mentioned/critiqued on the net: Tracking really is an issue, it doesn't sustain enough and starts to go to all different places. Still, the sound is pretty good compared to the WH-IV.

Edge_Orchestra 08-26-2011 09:52 PM

This might help (video below). Not sure if the Whammy II recalibrates the same way but give it a shot.

Digitech Whammy Pedal Calibration - YouTube


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Originally Posted by mirrorballman (Post 7337776)
Got the WH-II today, ridiculous fun. It does sound pretty dirty, but as mentioned/critiqued on the net: Tracking really is an issue, it doesn't sustain enough and starts to go to all different places. Still, the sound is pretty good compared to the WH-IV.


mirrorballman 08-27-2011 10:15 AM

Cheers E_O! I tried it (there isn't any info on the web really, unfortunately, I might need to write Digitech) and I have no idea what i did really except keep the bypass button a couple times and puch the pedal front and back. Nonetheless I think it got better, especially the sustain.

Generally, it cannot handle chords well, but that I knew beforehand as well. Either way, some day it'll make way for the WH-1 hopefully :)

Gone95 08-27-2011 09:14 PM

I've had a Whammy for about a year now, incredibly fun pedal with lots of cool tricks. Unfortunately it doesn't play nice with some of my other pedals and like mirrorballman said it doesn't handle chords very well, but apart from that it's a great pedal, quite useful when playing U2 songs like EBTTRL, Gone, The Fly, etc.


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