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coemgen 01-17-2008 04:30 PM

Tom Cruise and Scientology freak me out
Cruise extols Scientology in 2004 video

* Scientology membership a privilege that's earned, Cruise says
* 2004 video part of ceremony honoring Cruise for humanitarian work
* Scientology defined as "study of the truth"

(CNN) -- Tom Cruise expounds on his beliefs in Scientology in a 2004 video that made its way onto the Internet this week.

"I think it's a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist, and it's something you have to earn," Cruise says at the beginning of the video.

Cruise says he's "driven ... by the opportunity to really help, for the first time, change people's lives. I'm absolutely, uncompromisingly dedicated to that."

The video was shown at a 2004 Scientology ceremony honoring Cruise for his humanitarian work. Church of Scientology officials said it can be viewed at any of its churches, but it created a stir this week when what the church calls a pirated and edited version appeared on YouTube.

The video has since been taken off YouTube, but an interview portion remained available on the celebrity Web site gawker.com on Thursday.

"The Cruise Indoctrination Video Scientology Tried To Suppress" is the title of gawker.com's presentation.

"You have to watch this video," the site says. "It shows Tom Cruise, with all the wide-eyed fervor that he brings to the promotion of a movie, making the argument for Scientology," which it calls "the bizarre 20th-century religion. VideoWatch "Showbiz Tonight" discussion of Cruise video »

Cruise talks over a repetitive guitar-riff soundtrack, and appears to be answering questions, though an interviewer is not seen or heard.

A second part of the video, made available to CNN by the publisher of a new unauthorized biography of Cruise, shows Cruise accepting Scientology's Freedom Medal of Valor award and exchanging military-like salutes with Scientology chairman David Miscavige to audience applause. The publisher denies leaking other parts of the video to the Web.

In the video by the publisher, Cruise also salutes a portrait of L. Ron Hubbard, cited on the church's Web site as the founder of "the only major religion founded in the 20th century."

Hubbard's biography cites his accomplishments as everything from mariner and horticulturalist to author and humanitarian.

In the video, Cruise puts emphasis on the latter role.

A Scientologist "has the ability to create new realities and improve conditions," Cruise says.

On its Web site, the Church of Scientology highlights its humanitarian work, from anti-drug campaigns in places from Minnesota to Taiwan to teacher training in India.

The Web site defines Scientology as "the study of truth." Cruise embraces that in the video.

"If you're a Scientologist, ... you see things the way they are," Cruise says.

He also says he finds peace in the religion.

"The more you know as a Scientologist, you don't become overwhelmed by it," according to Cruise.

The unauthorized biography of Cruise is by author Andrew Mortin. A Cruise spokesperson and the Church of Scientology have disputed the book, saying Mortin did not seek their comment.

"Accuracy and truth were not on Morton's agenda," according to a church statement.

Mortin denies that and says Cruise, who he calls "a towering figure on the international scene," and his faith are worthy of scrutiny.

"Tom Cruise has done remarkable work for his faith over the past few years," Mortin said. "If it wasn't for him the Church of Scientology would be a shadow of what it is today."

coemgen 01-17-2008 04:32 PM

Here's the link to the video, and the letter gawker received from the Church of Scientology.



Dorian Gray 01-17-2008 04:35 PM

that video is scary at times... though heavily edited.. we do not get to hear the questions, or Cruise' full responses. Plus, the music they add to it is quite silly, they are trying to paint him a certain way.

U2democrat 01-17-2008 04:36 PM

Be careful, they might see this post and come after you :shifty:

They scare me too :shh:

deep 01-17-2008 04:39 PM

Re: Tom Cruise and Scientology freak me out

Originally posted by coemgen
He says he finds peace in the religion.
sounds fine to me :shrug:


Tom Cruise and Scientology freak me out
do they ?

or do you choose to allow yourself to get all worked up?

coemgen 01-17-2008 04:46 PM

First off, deep. That quote "He says he finds peace in the religion" shouldn't be attributed to me. Also, that's not what I find creepy.

Secondly, I'm not "worked up," I just find it creepy, as do many people.

deep 01-17-2008 04:55 PM

There are a lot of things in many belief systems that are unappealing to me.

I suppose one could label them creepy.

The ones that concern me the most,
are the ones that think their beliefs should have influence over others that do not fall within their group.

I do not see Scientology in that light, at all.

Irvine511 01-17-2008 04:59 PM

i suppose we have to derive from this that some religions are religions and other religions are cults.

but how do we get to that conclusion?

coemgen 01-17-2008 04:59 PM

Watch the video, deep.

deep 01-17-2008 05:04 PM


Originally posted by coemgen
First off, deep. That quote "He says he finds peace in the religion" shouldn't be attributed to me. Also, that's not what I find creepy.


That is from your first post.

It is in the "article".

I should have attributed it to the writer of the article.

To me, that is a very legitimate reason to participate in a "belief system'.

Infinity 01-17-2008 05:05 PM

Actually there is nothing wrong with Scientology, it is just another example of how people just can't stand differences in each other. Similar to Americans who hate Islam, terrorists who hate Judaism, the hatred between the Sunnis and Shiites, the hatred between Hindus and Muslims in India/Pakistan.

The only difference is that hatred towards Scientology is more socially exceptable.

martha 01-17-2008 05:06 PM

Scientology is a UFO cult. Look into it.

deep 01-17-2008 05:07 PM


Originally posted by coemgen
Watch the video, deep.
my audio is out on this comp

perhaps later

but, again I don't really watch "others" or care,
unless I see them wanting influence beyond people that choose to participate within the group

financeguy 01-17-2008 05:08 PM


Originally posted by martha
Scientology is a UFO cult. Look into it.
Most religions are cults.

deep 01-17-2008 05:10 PM


Originally posted by martha
Scientology is a UFO cult. Look into it.
and this is better/ or worse than believing in what others may consider "imaginary beings" floating in space?

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