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Justin24 11-20-2006 06:43 PM

The Hobbit to be made, but not by Peter Jackson.
 
http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1163993546.html

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11-19-06 Latest News

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Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh Talk THE HOBBIT
Xoanon @ 10:32 pm EST


Moments ago we received this email from Peter Jackson and his crew down in New Zealand, take a look...

Dear One Ringers,

As you know, there's been a lot of speculation about The Hobbit. We are often asked about when or if this film will ever be made. We have always responded that we would be very interested in making the film - if it were offered to us to make.

You may also be aware that Wingnut Films has bought a lawsuit against New Line, which resulted from an audit we undertook on part of the income of The Fellowship of the Ring. Our attitude with the lawsuit has always been that since it's largely based on differences of opinion about certain accounting practices, we would like an independent body - whether it be a judge, a jury, or a mediator, to look at the issues and make an unbiased ruling. We are happy to accept whatever that ruling is. In our minds, it's not much more complex than that and that's exactly why film contracts include right-to-audit clauses.

However, we have always said that we do not want to discuss The Hobbit with New Line until the lawsuit over New Line's accounting practices is resolved. This is simple common sense - you cannot be in a relationship with a film studio, making a complex, expensive movie and dealing with all the pressures and responsibilities that come with the job, while an unresolved lawsuit exists.

We have also said that we do not want to tie settlement of the lawsuit to making a film of The Hobbit. In other words, we would have to agree to make The Hobbit as a condition of New Line settling our lawsuit. In our minds this is not the right reason to make a film and if a film of The Hobbit went ahead on this basis, it would be doomed. Deciding to make a movie should come from the heart - it's not a matter of business convenience. When you agree to make a film, you're taking on a massive commitment and you need to be driven by an absolute passion to want to get the story on screen. It's that passion, and passion alone, that gives the movie its imagination and heart. To us it is not a cold-blooded business decision.

A couple of months ago there was a flurry of Hobbit news in the media. MGM, who own a portion of the film rights in The Hobbit, publicly stated they wanted to make the film with us. It was a little weird at the time because nobody from New Line had ever spoken to us about making a film of The Hobbit and the media had some fun with that. Within a week or two of those stories, our Manager Ken Kamins got a call from the co-president of New Line Cinema, Michael Lynne, who in essence told Ken that the way to settle the lawsuit was to get a commitment from us to make the Hobbit, because "that's how these things are done". Michael Lynne said we would stand to make much more money if we tied the lawsuit and the movie deal together and this may well be true, but it's still the worst reason in the world to agree to make a film.

Several years ago, Mark Ordesky told us that New Line have rights to make not just The Hobbit but a second "LOTR prequel", covering the events leading up to those depicted in LOTR. Since then, we've always assumed that we would be asked to make The Hobbit and possibly this second film, back to back, as we did the original movies. We assumed that our lawsuit with the studio would come to a natural conclusion and we would then be free to discuss our ideas with the studio, get excited and jump on board. We've assumed that we would possibly get started on development and design next year, whilst filming The Lovely Bones. We even had a meeting planned with MGM executives to talk through our schedule.

However last week, Mark Ordesky called Ken and told him that New Line would no longer be requiring our services on the Hobbit and the LOTR 'prequel'. This was a courtesy call to let us know that the studio was now actively looking to hire another filmmaker for both projects.

Ordesky said that New Line has a limited time option on the film rights they have obtained from Saul Zaentz (this has never been conveyed to us before), and because we won't discuss making the movies until the lawsuit is resolved, the studio is going to have to hire another director.

Given that New Line are committed to this course of action, we felt at the very least, we owed you, the fans, a straightforward account of events as they have unfolded for us.

We have always had the greatest support from The Ringers and we are very sorry our involvement with The Hobbit has been ended in this way. Our journey into Tolkien's world started with a phone call from Ken Kamins to Harvey Weinstein in Nov 1995 and ended with a phone call from Mark Ordesky to Ken in Nov 2006. It has been a great 11 years.

This outcome is not what we anticipated or wanted, but neither do we see any positive value in bitterness and rancor. We now have no choice but to let the idea of a film of The Hobbit go and move forward with other projects.

We send our very best wishes to whomever has the privilege of making The Hobbit and look forward to seeing the film on the big screen.

Warmest regards to you all, and thanks for your incredible support over the years.

We got to go there - but not back again ...

Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh

Xoanon here, this is a big blow to the LOTR community. I feel like there has been a death in the family...there are a LOT of questions that will remain unanswered for the time being. Why couldn't New Line come to an agreement with PJ? Is there really a time option on the film rights for New Line? Who will they get to direct? Those are some massive shoes to fill if you ask me. I hope that whoever they get to direct will not try something 'new' with the look and feel of PJ's Middle-earth...and what is this LOTR 'prequel' project?

There have been rumors about The Hobbit being split into two films, will this prequel project then become the third film in another trilogy? Who knows...

I'm sure Peter and Fran aren't going to want to talk more about this, but that doesn't mean we won't be begging for a sitdown and chat! Stay tuned for more...


Update: Demosthenes here. Like yourselves, many of us here have been getting more and more excited by the news that the Hobbit, whether via one or two movies, seems to be gradually drawing closer to production. The news that Jackson and MGM studios were in close talks and that production could begin as soon as 2008 or 2009 was particularly promising.

The news of New Line's apparent veto is quite cutting. What does it mean for the viability of the production? Will anyone back two films if Jackson is not directing? Who are the alternatives anyway? Will WETA still do the FX, and will the production be based in New Zealand? And will actors such as Ian McKellen still want to come on board? A few of us are discussing these things in TheOneRing.net's IRC channel. If you to care to join us, simply drop in and join us through our java chat using your browser. Alternatively, point your favourite IRC client to our server:irc.theonering.net and join #theonering.net. Come along and vent and discuss. All we request is that you do so politely!

MrBrau1 11-20-2006 08:39 PM

it's gonna stink

AtomicBono 11-20-2006 09:10 PM

why would you have anyone but peter jackson do anything else in the LOTR universe? ridiculous. the movie will probably suck now and be aimed at 5 year olds or something

trevster2k 11-20-2006 09:30 PM

I would wait until we see what happens personally. Look at the Bond situation. Turned out ok, didn't it?

But with the huge fanbase for LOTR, I would think that the execs are possibly risking huge alienation by fans if the early word on the street is negative. Plus will they allow or even consider the fans input ala Peter Jackson?I do think that Peter Jackson has earned the right to direct The Hobbit. Movie execs aren't the geniuses they think they are cause for every Titanic or Borat they greenlight, they allow 10 Employee of the Month films.

U2girl 11-21-2006 02:59 AM

:down:

U2Man 11-21-2006 05:36 AM

ridiculous.

ylimeU2 11-21-2006 09:02 AM

The people at New Line are idiots. :tsk:

Jackson clearly knows how to bring those stories to life and I have a feeling it is going to suck without him.

skjuls 11-21-2006 10:36 AM

I think Bond and LOTR are two different beasts. Everyone wants Peter Jackson to direct..............well except for New Line.
Bastards!!

WinnieThePoo 11-21-2006 01:50 PM

what did you expect ??
big fart showbiz money , king kong went crazy
art sells ,Tolkien is still the best

skjuls 11-21-2006 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by WinnieThePoo
what did you expect ??
big fart showbiz money , king kong went crazy
art sells ,Tolkien is still the best

Ok, You've lost me!!!!!!!!

bono_212 11-21-2006 02:28 PM

Honestly...GOOD. I hated what Peter Jackson did to the books. And I love the Hobbit more, so I'm glad he's not going to screw that up as well.

vaz02 11-21-2006 02:34 PM

Poor mistake.

MacHat 11-21-2006 05:29 PM

New Line's loss :madspit:

WinnieThePoo 11-21-2006 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by skjuls


Ok, You've lost me!!!!!!!!

i lose myself , all the time baby

:bono:

it was a bad idea to make those movies

there must be another way....

:ohmy:

thatsnotmypuppy 11-22-2006 01:41 AM

BTW - King Kong has turned a pretty sizeable profit. Yeah, it was overblown and far too long - but damn it was a good looking thrill ride of a movie.

Frankly I'd ratehr see Peter Jackson do another 'Feebles' movie or a 'Frighteners' sequel. Surely 'The Frightenenrs' was a big enough hit on DVD to warrant a sequel? :)

Dalton 11-22-2006 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by WinnieThePoo
what did you expect ??
big fart showbiz money , king kong went crazy
art sells ,Tolkien is still the best


Haikus :drool:

U2Man 11-23-2006 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by bono_212
Honestly...GOOD. I hated what Peter Jackson did to the books. And I love the Hobbit more, so I'm glad he's not going to screw that up as well.
could you elaborate?

LJT 11-23-2006 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by bono_212
Honestly...GOOD. I hated what Peter Jackson did to the books. And I love the Hobbit more, so I'm glad he's not going to screw that up as well.
How did he screw it up? If it is a complaint about what he took out, well he really couldn't have included everything, I mean in the book it takes Frodo a few years to even leave the Shire, really something you could not have shown in the film, and Tom Bombadil, was generally irrelevant to the narrative.

I thought he remained pretty true to the books.

bono_212 11-24-2006 03:42 AM

It's just a personal thing I guess. I just didn't care for some of the things he left out...I knwo not everything can be left in...but still. I'm not gonna argue about it, so don't bother

Billy Rotten 11-24-2006 10:56 AM

How can you have a great Hobbit movie without the same Gollum, Gandalf, e.t.c. It just wouldn't be the same.

vaz02 11-24-2006 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Billy Rotten
How can you have a great Hobbit movie without the same Gollum, Gandalf, e.t.c. It just wouldn't be the same.
agreed. My thoughts entirely.

vaz02 11-24-2006 09:33 PM

Just been reading on the net and it says this film is planned for release in 2009...

WinnieThePoo 11-25-2006 05:18 AM

it reminds me of what happened with batman franchise , when tim burton left

U2girl 11-25-2006 06:30 AM

But Batman Begins saved those film series. I hope they keep whoever directed that one.

WinnieThePoo 11-25-2006 12:12 PM

they should give it to mel Gibson
:wink:

U2Man 11-25-2006 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by bono_212
It's just a personal thing I guess. I just didn't care for some of the things he left out...I knwo not everything can be left in...but still. I'm not gonna argue about it, so don't bother
your comments just seem a little indifferent, if you won't bother to elaborate.

WinnieThePoo 11-25-2006 03:49 PM

peter jackson did a good job , no doubts about it .
but the whole buzz that came afterwards , some many oscars , i mean it's a good movie , but it's a fairy-tale after all .
i don't know , Tolkien was against making the movies .
now it's out of control , kids will watch the movies , and will not read the books , next thing , hobbit will turn into startrek popcorn show

U2girl 11-25-2006 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by WinnieThePoo
they should give it to mel Gibson
:wink:

:no:

BraveHobbit.

U2Man 11-25-2006 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by MrBrau1
it's gonna stink

SpaceOddity 11-28-2006 04:36 PM

The plot thickens...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...550342,00.html

Considering this is from "The Sun", I won't believe it until PJ himself confirms it... which will be strange, because he already confirmed he wasn't directing the film. I'm really confused. LOL.


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