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shart1780 06-23-2005 04:09 PM

Fellow Christians: My girlfriend and I need your help.
 
This is probably going to be pretty shocking for some (it was very shocking to me), but my girlfriend and I really need the prayer and support of fellow christians.

Over the past couple of years my girlfriend and I have had some problems. Some problems with arguing and such in our relationship. She also has held some hesitation about fully trusting God because of her abusive history with her parents and her current relationship with her extremely unloving mom. This has caused alot of problems throughout her life. At 14 she tried to commit suicide but failed. She's 18 now.

This isn't what we need payer about though. It's much worse than just that. A couple nights ago my girlfriend and I were having an argument on the phone. We probably shouldn't have been arguing as it wasn't that important now that I look back on it. I wanted to resolve it so I asked her to pray with me. I think her former hesitation to place her faith in God started kicking in and she refused. By this time her and I were completely worn out from arguing and our will to fight had pretty much withered away. We had basically become weak and depressed.

After this she told me "Robbie I feel something. Something's coming." I was thinking "huh? what's she talking about?". I asked her what was wrong and she didn't say anything. I asked her to pray with me, but she kept saying "something's here". I had no clue what to think, but I was still worried for her, so asked her to say the name "Jesus". Sounds simple enough, right? She couldn't say it. I asked her to say it multiple times but all she could manage was a sigh.

By this time I was getting really scared and I started praying for her in my head. She started sobbing and moaning. I became even more suprised and frightened and started praying out loud for her. It was at this time I realized that she was being possessed by a demon. When I asked Jesus for her protection she started to growl at me and moan in a voice that wasn't her own. It was course and grovely. As I repeated prayers and scriptures it kept growling at me between her sobs. I knew she was aware of what was going on because she kept trying to repeat Jesus' name. I said "baby it will be ok". The demon replied "I'm not your baby". He said other things like "it's time to die". My girlfriend told me that the demon was causing her to have violent convulsions, clutch her legs very tightly and roll her eyes uncontrollably. She also says that he was putting images in her mind of suicide. She had to fight hard to keep the phone to her ear. This demon was obviously puting up a fight to keep her. This went on for about 5 minutes as I paced around the house, shaking kind of violently because I was so terrified that I was actually confronting a demon.

Eventually the growling and talking from the demon left her. She was sobbing but still ok. I asked her if she was hurt and she said no. We prayed together and she redevoted her life to Christ.

Now we're trying our hardest to make sure these demons don't come back to tempt her again. I believe that a demon of suicide had stayed in her body over the years waiting for the perfect moment to attack her. Why he did it when I was around is beyond me. I'm confident that her and I can fight off any demons who try to invade her (with the power of Jesus), but of course we don't want to take that chance. we've been reading the Bible and praying together daily.

But of course it helps to have other believers praying for us. We need all the help we can get. And I don't want to have to go through what was probably the most terrifying night of my life ever again. Most of all I want her body and spirit to be safe though.

PLEASE don't underestimate the power of the devil, people. He has no regard whatsoever for your life. He'll try to influence you when you're the most weak and hopeless. I don't think christians these days pay enough respect to the power of Satan and his demons. They can kill you, and worse, take you to hell with them. DO NOT underestimate them.

And please pray for us. It would be much appreciated.

melon 06-23-2005 04:17 PM

She probably had a psychotic-like episode likely influenced by cultural constructs that includes heavy emphasis on religious imagery. That's generally why only "believers" are subject to "possessions." It's essentially a mental breakdown brought by stress. Some people manifest such psychosis by becoming "possessed." Others manifest it by personifying personality traits of an evil figure in history, such as thinking their a reincarnation of Hitler or whatever.

Essentially, it's a huge, probably subconscious cry for help, and don't be surprised if she has more "possessions" if it means she gets positive attention as a result of each episode. Prayer is one thing, but she needs help in the physical realm, so don't let belief in demons scapegoat the real problem affecting her. She needs to get out of that situation, and you need to stop arguing with her, or, at least, be more understanding and try to make her life less stressful.

Melon

shart1780 06-23-2005 04:19 PM

I'm a christian and don't believe it was anything but a demon. She was talking in a voice she'd normaly be incapable of.

I knoe the devil would love me to believe it was a psychological episode.

melon 06-23-2005 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by shart1780
I'm a christian and don't believe it was anything but a demon. She was talking in a voice she'd normaly be incapable of.

I knoe the devil would love me to believe it was a psychological episode.

Pray for her. There's nothing wrong with that. But she needs psychological help, as well, at the very least because she's in a bad situation. At least do it in spite of the episode, if not because of it.

Melon

shart1780 06-23-2005 04:24 PM

Of course we're going to try to fix some of the problems in our relationship as well.

U2democrat 06-23-2005 04:35 PM

I agree with melon.

The Disciple 06-23-2005 04:44 PM

I'll make sure 2 pray 4 U guys....

BVS 06-23-2005 04:48 PM

I don't believe in demon possession, but I'll pray for anyone having suicidal thoughts.

shart1780 06-23-2005 04:50 PM

I don't understand why anyone would believe in God but not demon possession. The Bible makes it completely clear that demons possess people. That is unless you don't believe the Bible ;)

80sU2isBest 06-23-2005 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melon
She probably had a psychotic-like episode likely influenced by cultural constructs that includes heavy emphasis on religious imagery. That's generally why only "believers" are subject to "possessions." It's essentially a mental breakdown brought by stress. Some people manifest such psychosis by becoming "possessed." Others manifest it by personifying personality traits of an evil figure in history, such as thinking their a reincarnation of Hitler or whatever.
Actually, melon, most Protestants believe that a Christian cannot be "possessed by the devil".

deep 06-23-2005 05:07 PM

She needs professional help, as Melon said.




When people are arguing and one says pray with me, it just sounds like a control tactic.

BVS 06-23-2005 05:10 PM

A lot of respected theologians think demon possession is analogous or just a misunderstanding of psychological episodes.

Melon's explanation makes it pretty clear, why don't we ever hear of non-believers with demon possessions? Plus there are a few inconsistancies with the "rules" of possession according to those that take it literally.

I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness of her episode and I believe she needs a lot of help, I just don't think it was an actual demon per se.

BVS 06-23-2005 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 80sU2isBest


Actually, melon, most Protestants believe that a Christian cannot be "possessed by the devil".

I think that's why his believers were in quotes. An athiest who grew up athiest doesn't have the religious imagery in their background and hasn't seen the movie the excorsist will not have a "possession".

Liesje 06-23-2005 05:15 PM

Whatever it is, it's NOT something to play around with. From one Christian to another, I'm not sure how I feel about demons, but I will say that if they DO exist, I'd feel they are pretty much immune to prayer. From a theological perspective, if you're into total depravity/The Fall, you can see that no matter how hard someone prays, it can never be 100% genuine. Take her to see someone...a priest, a shrink, whatever....just be damn sure it's someone who's dealt with issues of suicide before.

starsgoblue 06-23-2005 05:18 PM

Shart...send me an email...


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