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ILuvLarryMullen 05-15-2005 10:41 PM

if your mind is too open, your brains might fall out.

mtoreilly 05-16-2005 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by diamond

:hmm:

The context of your question is wrong.

If somebody said-
Im not sure that Neptune exists and would like to explore that possiblity using new science , and then went on to painsakingly show how his new science was impartial, unbiased, with checks and balances and after putting his credibility on the line, using the strictest protocol...

...I would applaud the researcher and not ridicule the messenger, no matter what the results.

And I would be willing to review the data before commenting on it's accuracy.

upon completion of the review I would then be able to comment on a validation of a long held belief based on the methodology of the researcher.


db9

So, that was my comment, albeit stretched out somewhat. My problem is, everything I have ever read about Mediums and Psychics has shown them to be, at best, misguided in their views and at worst, out to make money from conning people. I was really questioning how you could doubt the existence of the planet Neptune, despite there being 160 years of facts to show there is, and moreover, say there were more facts showing that there is an afterlife, when clearly there aren't.

As I said before; existence of Neptune irrefutable, existence of an afterlife, refutable.

A_Wanderer 05-16-2005 01:26 AM

Not to mention selective use of data, in fact reading up on the book only the last experiment is actually conducted in a double blind manner.

mtoreilly 05-16-2005 01:58 AM

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Originally posted by A_Wanderer
Not to mention selective use of data, in fact reading up on the book only the last experiment is actually conducted in a double blind manner.
Perhaps I'll google this later, if I have time to spare. For now I think I've spent enough time on this argument.

diamond 05-16-2005 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by mtoreilly


So, that was my comment, albeit stretched out somewhat. My problem is, everything I have ever read about Mediums and Psychics has shown them to be, at best, misguided in their views and at worst, out to make money from conning people.

As I said before; existence of Neptune irrefutable, existence of an afterlife, refutable.

that's why you need to read the book to see the safegards that were put in the experiments, and then judge the integerty of the results.


i think most put precedence over the existence of the afterlife than having knowledge of an existence of a far away planet.

db9

diamond 05-16-2005 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by beli


I wouldnt. I would review the accuracy before reading the data. (sp?) :uhoh: )

:hmm:

now that seems like a gullible statement.
don't you think one would have to examine the data to determine if it was accurate or not ?

how could you accept any results without knowing how the results came into being?

db9

diamond 05-16-2005 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by A_Wanderer
Not to mention selective use of data, in fact reading up on the book only the last experiment is actually conducted in a double blind manner.
selective use of data? please explain.



and results were astonishing, as as astonising as the first experiments showing the renowned mediums were on the up and up the whole time, before the stricter controls were implemented.

db9

Rono 05-16-2005 06:25 AM

why is the afterlife so importiant ? Can you only do good for other people because you will get a reward ?

diamond 05-16-2005 06:27 AM

Rono,
Do you believe in an afterlife?

db9

Rono 05-16-2005 06:32 AM

Yes, i am a cristian but i refuse to accept afterlife as reward . Only dictators rewards followers.

diamond 05-16-2005 06:36 AM

haha

db9:wink:

mtoreilly 05-16-2005 06:43 AM

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Originally posted by diamond
i think most put precedence over the existence of the afterlife than having knowledge of an existence of a far away planet.
That's not what I was questioning!

I've already said that!

mtoreilly 05-16-2005 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by diamond
how could you accept any results without knowing how the results came into being?
Do you question gravity? How a light works? How your car moves? Etc, etc, etc...

diamond 05-16-2005 06:47 AM

the point is:

when new science is used to confirm the existence of an already held belief it should not be arbitrarily dismissed.

db9

mtoreilly 05-16-2005 07:04 AM

No it shouldn't - if it is science.

I've only ever questioned how legitimate this book is. If I had hours of my life to waste on reading this book, and I could get hold of a free copy, I would. But I don't, I have exams in things that you can prove which I need to work for.

And my point is this: you are not convincing me to spend valuable time reading this book. There is absolutely nothing you have said that makes this book seem worthwhile reading.


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